How to Get a Golf License in Germany | Adventures in Golf Season 6



How to Get a Golf License in Germany Adventures in Golf Season 6 adventures

Befo­re you can play on a cour­se in Ger­ma­ny, you need a licen­se. Erik Anders Lang takes the test to get his. 

Wel­co­me to Platz­rei­fe­Düs­sel­dorf, the site of Adven­tures in Golf’s first trip to Deutsch­land, pre­sen­ted by United Airlines.

Befo­re the big day, Erik heads to Golf-Sport-Ver­ein Düs­sel­dorf e.V. whe­re he meets up with golf jour­na­list Micha­el Basche for a quick ran­ge session. 

Now, it’s Erik’s time to put his skills to the test, liter­al­ly, at the Golf Club of Ober­hau­sen whe­re he meets the head pro, Thi­lo Fass­ben­der, and his inst­ruc­tor, pro gol­fer inst­ruc­tor and gnar­ly skate­boar­der, Kevin Kunze. 

After Erik’s exam, he makes his way to what will likely beco­me one of Düsseldorf’s favo­ri­te hang-out spots: Top­golf. Way befo­re the tar­gets and bays are finis­hed, Erik visits with two of the guys respon­si­ble for this new loca­ti­on and under­stands why they spe­ci­fi­cal­ly cho­se this Ger­man city.

To wrap up his trip, Erik tees it up with golf jour­na­list Isa­bel Von Wilcke, whe­re he gets an even bet­ter under­stan­ding golf life in Ger­ma­ny from her perspective.

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  1. Music, boo­ze and carts – 3 things I would like to eli­mi­na­te from the game of golf. Ger­mans do it right. Some sort of a crash-cour­se is a good thing too. You wouldn’t hand out a rif­le to any­bo­dy, right?

  2. I live in Ger­ma­ny. Have so for 30 years. Golf here is a real­ly éli­te snob­by expen­si­ve affair. The­re are hard­ly any public cour­ses or dri­ving ran­ges. The Ger­mans love their licen­ses snd cer­ti­fi­ca­tes – that’s why you need a Platz­rei­fe. When I arri­ved here i just said I had a 8 han­di­cap and I did­n’t do, b or more accu­rate­ly, refu­sed to do the Platz­rei­fe. They love their rules here .… the lady used a good word she said they like/need to be “gui­ded”. For me the Platz­rei­fe is just a money-making racket. Most peop­le here get the licen­se qui­te quick­ly and when you see the level of some peop­le who pass the test and are then allo­wed on to the cour­se you won­der how they got it. All in all the idea fits to the men­ta­li­ty and from the stuffy point of view (becau­se golf can be that way some­ti­mes) it can make sen­se in the snob­by world of golf. Clubs are pri­va­te and mem­bers who pay lots of money for the pri­vi­le­ge to play expect other gol­fers to be “qua­li­fied” to play on their cour­se – no hackers and no riff-raff! Keep up the gre­at work Erik. Love what you do!

    1. I’d laugh if some clown told me I need a licen­se for a game I play 3 times a week. It does abso­lute­ly favours for gro­wing the game.

  3. Thanks for watching I don’t know who need to hear this but stop reply­ing on the government and savings. Invest some of your money if you want finan­cial free­dom Invest in bit­coins , gold , sil­ver , buy stock , forex mar­ket. Anything ! Just Invest and save yourself

  4. I think Platz­rei­fe is a Good thing becau­se it intro­du­ce you into Golf and you Must Need to work on your move to get bet­ter and thats you beco­me motivation

  5. The impres­si­on that a tou­rist would need a Platz­rei­fe is not qui­te accu­ra­te. Any type of club card, han­di­cap cer­ti­fi­ca­te will always suffice.
    Also, the Platz­rei­fe is not a law, as is fre­quent­ly said in the video, it is just a rule set up by the Ger­man Golf Fede­ra­ti­on that clubs adhe­re to, most­ly. Not­hing legal­ly mandated.

    1. As an Ame­ri­can who golfs at public cour­ses, I, and no one I know, have eit­her of tho­se things. It’s a game of whacking a ball with a stick. The con­cept of licen­sing is preposterous.

  6. I moved to Switz­er­land from Ame­ri­ca about 4 mon­ths ago. Ima­gi­ne my sur­pri­se fin­ding out I nee­ded a licen­se to play golf! It’s qui­te pri­cey but honest­ly I find it to be a bene­fi­cial thing for all gol­fers! But I caught the bug play­ing on cour­ses in Ame­ri­ca, and most young peop­le here in switz­er­land are stu­dents and have a hard time afford­ing the pri­ces of les­sons and even green fees.

    1. @Axileus 4h/13 minu­tes a hole is hard­ly slow. But I do under­stand your sentiment.

      Yes­ter­day I play­ed behind a four­ball of ger­iatrics hole insis­ted on play­ing the honour and only advan­cing behind the fur­thest per­son to hit. Then one of the guys wal­ked like he was Vijay Singh on a Sunday stroll.

      Never in my life have I inten­tio­nal­ly hit into a group but yes­ter­day was the first time the thought legi­ti­mate­ly cros­sed my mind. I was abso­lute­ly livid at the lacka­dai­si­cal attitude

  7. The platz­rei­fe sys­tem is rub­bish. It’s in Aus­tria as well. They belie­ve that it makes the gol­fers have a bet­ter under­stan­ding of the game howe­ver the mem­bers are the ones that lea­ve the cour­se in worse con­di­ti­on that the guests dud to their enti­t­le­ment issu­es. It’s also rather expen­si­ve and time con­suming lea­ving it as a sport for the éli­te. It’s a damn shame!!!

    1. I agree with you that it can be to expen­si­ve to start this way. The­re has to be more cheap and acces­si­ble golf in the world. The licen­se sys­tem can be good on the very big cour­ses to make sure the peop­le play know what they are doing and arent in other peo­p­les way. I also very much agree with that guests usual­ly take way bet­ter care of the cour­se than the average mem­ber, which sucks very much.

    1. @Kurt S For sure! That’s why we don’t have a big golf com­mu­ni­ty in Ger­ma­ny. Ever­yo­ne who is not play­ing golf thinks it’s to com­plex to get into.

  8. We need this in Ame­ri­ca. Too many idi­ots play golf and crowd ever­ything. We should be shrin­king the game. Local public cour­se here a round takes 5.5 hours at least

  9. The need for “golf licen­ses” in Ger­ma­ny, the Nether­lands and a hand­ful of other nort­hern Euro­pean coun­tries is a direct rea­son why they have a dearth of play­ers on tour. It is SUCH a bs requi­re­ment – golf should be an acces­si­ble sport, not prohibitive.

  10. Some cour­ses around the world have a mini­mum han­di­cap for play­ers which isn’t a bad thing. Espe­cial­ly if they are real­ly busy and I like the idea of giving new gol­fers a base to play from but a licence must surely hin­der the games growth.

    1. How are peo­p­les han­di­caps sup­po­sed to drop of cour­ses in their area don’t allow them on the cour­se due to high han­di­cap. Liter­al­ly what’s wrong with golf

    2. @MitchyCPlays If you are a mem­ber at the club, or just pay a mon­th­ly fee for play­ing without a mem­bers­hip rules don’t app­ly. Its most­ly for guest at har­der and more busy cour­se to keep pace of play. Same thing for St.Andrews or most of the high level cour­ses in Europe. 

      I can under­stand that, even if I am not the big­gest fan. Luck­i­ly more and more ger­man cour­se loo­sen the rule and often a hcp of 36 or 32 is only requie­red during the high fre­quen­cy tee times.

    3. @nsoaring this is sort of a self ful­fil­ling pro­phe­cy. if you have tons of gol­fers play­ing, a lot more cour­ses would be built. when you have a lot of cour­ses, peak frequency/crowded tee times beco­mes less of an issue

    4. @Эдуард Вятчанин Fair point but mem­bers­hip cost at most ger­man cour­se is qui­te afford­a­ble and we have a 6 hole cour­se play­a­ble without the Platz­rei­fe, but very few non gol­fers play it. As a uni­ver­si­ty stu­dent I only pay 35bucks a mon­th for a full mem­bers­hip. Its not like the dues in pri­va­te clubs in the US.

    5. @Эдуард Вятчанин And the issue with popu­lar or nice cour­ses pre­sists. We have cour­ses in our area nobod plays not even for a 10buck green­fee becau­se they are not well main­tai­ned and boring whe­re every hole feels the same just with a dif­fe­rent yardage.

      You can’t just build cour­ses and expect peop­le to play, its a pro­cess that is alrea­dy going in Ger­ma­ny. You need golf to be more fun and casu­al, like RGC is meant to be but you won’t chan­ge tra­di­ti­ons over night.

  11. It’s not that uncom­mon. In the Nether­lands (about 17.5 mln peop­le, with around 400k gol­fers, so just over 2%), we have a GVB, “Golf Vaar­dig­heids Bewijs”. Which rough­ly trans­la­tes into Golf Skill Cer­ti­fi­ca­te. It’s a play­ing test and rules test. Rules inclu­de golf rules like drop­ping, penal­ty shots etc as well as eti­quet­te. If you pass, your (now WHS) HCP is 54.
    And of you go, you can play near­ly all cour­ses (even pri­va­te ones, on invi­ta­ti­on or ear­ly weekday’s).

    1. Actual­ly it is extre­me­ly uncom­mon to requi­re a golf licen­se. It’s not exact­ly like Ger­ma­ny or the Nether­lands are gol­fing power­houses eit­her – and this plays a mas­si­ve role in that dearth.

  12. Aha­ha­ha that guy behind you at the red light was a pro­per Ger­man! We love to cor­rect others if they break the law, no mat­ter how small the “crime” was^^ next time you should try cut­ting the line in a shop;)

    1. One of my play­ing part­ners is an 80yo Ger­man who immi­gra­ted here to South Afri­ca 40 years ago. If one of his com­pa­tri­ots said he needs a golf licence he’d pro­bab­ly call them a “links­wich­ser”

  13. Under that envi­ron­ment, I’d love to know how Bern­hard Lan­ger got started…after all, he’s Ger­man, right? If the first cour­se was built in ’78, he was alrea­dy on his way then.

  14. Here in the Nether­lands you also need a licen­se at most cour­ses. It inclu­des pas­sing a theo­ry exam with rules about eti­quet­te and gene­ral rules of golf. The ger­man licen­se seems easy in comparison!

    1. @Adam Mor­ti­mer it’s not easy, and it is dif­fi­cult to tre­at some of the litt­le things peop­le just do not know. It took me fore­ver to even think about gol­fing becau­se of that. I hap­pen­ed to have a friend who gol­fed and I got into it. If I had to get a licen­se, pro­bab­ly would have stop­ped becau­se it is an extra step and stress just to relax. To me, it’s more akin to ski­ing, you have begin­ners who do things wrong but peop­le can gui­de them.

    2. @theshovl3r Racism has not­hing to do with it. Life out­side the United Sta­tes in civi­li­zed coun­tries is so dif­fe­rent that peop­le can’t belie­ve it. In coun­tries whe­re the dis­tri­bu­ti­on of wealth and inco­me equa­li­ty is at a decent level and access to edu­ca­ti­on and health care is a right not a pri­vi­le­ge the real­ly isn’t an éli­te. Golf isn’t eli­tist and out of the reach of com­mon peop­le. We work 8 hours a day and have five weeks paid vaca­ti­on every year. Coun­tries whe­re the­re is free edu­ca­ti­on and mul­ti­par­ty coali­ti­on governments not every rule, law or per­mit is about opp­res­si­on put in place by the wealt­hy élite.

    3. @jooger69 That is inher­ent­ly fal­se, coun­tries like Swe­den crea­te ghet­tos and con­ti­nu­al­ly restrict citi­zenship and over all rights to immi­grants, get off your high hor­se and have some self reflec­tion. Euro­pe has a ter­ri­ble histo­ry with racism and con­ti­nues to do so and should be held to the same stan­dard. Espe­cial­ly Ger­ma­ny, who con­ti­nues to insti­tu­te racist poli­ci­es. Euro­pe is no more civi­li­zed than any first world coun­try though it con­ti­nu­al­ly moves to the second world, but never addres­ses their own issu­es but ins­tead pro­ject their pro­blems to Ame­ri­ca whe­re they do not under­stand nor will they ever( hopefully)

    4. @Diego V it is, the use of licen­ses restricts the growth of the game, and gene­ral­ly has lop­si­ded affect to mino­ri­ties. Euro­pean coun­try like to act all high and migh­ty then do shit like this.

  15. Same in Switz­er­land as other view­ers men­tio­ned. When I was about 20 I wan­ted to start play­ing golf but I sim­ply could not afford any mem­bers­hip. Without being mem­ber in any club it was almost impos­si­ble to play golf. So the licen­se and a mem­bers­hip can be qui­te an obsta­cle for young peop­le. Now I‘m 40 and I final­ly picked up golf again and did my licen­se. I’m a mem­ber now in a decent club, but I some­ti­mes reg­ret that I didn‘t play for such a long time.

    1. It’s abso­lute­ly stu­pid and unne­cessa­ry, and it’s an indict­ment to per­cei­ved Euro­pean eli­tism. In all gol­fing power­house coun­tries the pro­fes­sio­nal bodies sup­port gro­wing the game at grass­roots level. You have initia­ti­ves like Litt­le Kids Golf and Dri­ve Chip & Putt to start peop­le gol­fing at a young age – not to men­ti­on, a lar­ge num­ber of golf clubs allow school teams to play golf in the after­noons for free.

    2. @Fred R das ist ja echt scha­de das du erst mit 40 anfan­gen konn­test. ich spiel seit ich 16 bin und bereue es das ich nicht vor­her damit ange­fan­gen habe.

    3. The two golf clubs in this video are actual­ly very inex­pen­si­ve to be a mem­ber at. About the pri­ce of 2 green­fees a mon­th. For that pri­ce, I don’t see having to be a mem­ber an obstacle.

  16. Thank you first­ly for this video. It sheds a lot of light on how the game is run throughout the world. Excel­lent work! I agree with your utter asto­nish­ment with how the game is run the­re. I’m from sou­the­ast Eng­land and I have an abundance of cour­ses to play. I think that some of the best play­ers come from having access to sport, be it Ath­le­tics, Foot­ball (Soc­cer), Rug­by etc! To exclu­de the mas­ses is to hin­der pro­gres­si­on. Just think that if all of Ger­ma­ny had as much access to golf as most of the world then the Ryder Cup would be a dif­fe­rent tour­na­ment altogether.

    1. For sure. The nega­ti­ves far out­weigh the posi­ti­ves of this sil­ly requi­re­ment. It’s no mista­ke that the world’s best gol­fers come from coun­tries whe­re golf is both acces­si­ble and actively sup­por­ted at grass­roots level.

    2. @Diogenes’ Lan­tern 100% I’m a man from a working class fami­ly. Just as an examp­le we have Andrew (Beef) John­son on the golf tour. A pure pro­duct of our easy access to the game in Eng­land. I can’t afford a full mem­bers­hip but get out and play when I can. Sport is a hob­by and should be as you say, as acces­si­ble as possible.

    3. dude, the ent­i­re video was a joke, could­n’t you tell from the way that he shows up at all the­se clubs and does the­se inter­views loo­king like he just wal­ked out of the Seat­tle woods?
      Like he spends his time play­ing chess at the public parks in Manhattan?
      Like he’s a refu­gee from St. Eliza­beths Men­tal Hospital?

      And the poor Ger­man schlubs all had to take him serious­ly. He shows up at any decent cour­se in the US loo­king like that, they’d show him whe­re the green­s­kee­pers’ shed is.

  17. i have play­ed golf in 14 coun­tries and almost all have some­thing simi­lar, think its just the word licen­se that trips peop­le up. When i star­ted play­ing as a kid in Swe­den the­re actual­ly WAS a writ­ten rules test(or oral if you are too young to wri­te as i was) but now days its just a quick les­son, main­ly basic rules and eti­quet­te (in regards to safe­ty) often com­bi­ned with a swing lesson.
    In most of the world you need to be a mem­ber of a club in order to play and or have a offi­cial HCP, basi­cly the same (the excep­ti­on is ofc pay and play cour­ses, that is get­ting more popu­lar now­days ) , i remem­ber as i kid in 1990 we play­ed in UK and many of the cour­ses had HCP requi­re­ments , and 1 cour­se even nee­ded a writ­ten “let­ter of recom­men­da­ti­on” from from the Swe­dish PGA in order to be allo­wed to play a cour­se (car­nous­tie i think it was) . now that is taking it a bit far, just like my mom being allo­wed to play the cour­se, but not allo­wed to step foot in the club house, ofc tho­se kind of rules are luck­i­ly most­ly gone now

  18. Don’t mind the licen­se, but the tee box assign­ment by sex makes no sen­se. With the licen­se in place I’m sur­pri­sed they don’t assign a tee box based on your average distance off the tee…

  19. Watching this as a Ger­man is real­ly fun­ny. I first beca­me awa­re of our “Platz­rei­fe” when I did a high school year in Cana­da. They just laug­hed at me and I could­n’t real­ly under­stand why. Play­ing golf was and still is so expan­si­ve in Ger­ma­ny that it just made sen­se to me that you need a play­ing licen­se. I’m a big advo­ca­te of cour­ses like Ober­hau­sen. I know the club. The atmo­s­phe­re is chil­led and what you get with the mem­bers­hip is ama­zing (two clubs and three cour­ses that are not your “typi­cal” golf cour­ses – build into an old hor­se racing track and on the grounds of an old coal mine). We defi­ni­te­ly need more of the­se clubs to attract all dif­fe­rent kinds of peop­le. I’m also real­ly loo­king for­ward to che­cking out the Top­Golf in Oberhausen!

    1. @Eric Schu­mak …so if someo­ne says that it’s the same in their coun­try, you just auto­ma­ti­cal­ly assu­me that they’­re right and quo­te them? Does this come out of your need to sum­ma­ri­ze the other comments? 

      And look. I can’t help it if you feel insul­ted by the truth. May­be that’s your pre­fe­rence to feel that way. May­be you avoid the truth often to avoid fee­ling insul­ted. I don’t know. But do you serious­ly expect me to lie to you to make you feel bet­ter about yourself?

      Stop being a self-cen­te­red whin­gy bitch.

    2. Ich hab in bei­den län­dern gelebt Deutsch­land und Kana­da und find Ehr­lich zu sagen die­se Platz­rei­fe lächer­lich. Das bringt nur dazu das weni­ger Leu­te inter­es­se haben an Golf in Deutsch­land. Hier in Cana­da gibt es unend­lich vie­le offe­ne Golf kur­se. Ein­fach unnö­tig die­ses Gesetz.

    3. here’s the thing. First…how expen­si­ve is golf in Ger­ma­ny? Is it the golf that is expen­si­ve or the peop­le that can’t afford it or won“t pay for it? 

      I’m hea­ding out this wee­kend to play a $75 cour­se. It is going to be packed all day. They told me that 300 gol­fers had signed up. That is about a $27k haul for them for just obe day. Just in fees. Is it the green fees that are expen­si­ve or just a gene­ral lack of interest? 

      second in the movie thr host is told repeated­ly that he needs a licen­se which is untrue. He kept posing the ques­ti­on dif­fe­rent ways and got the same ans­wer every time. It is patent­ly untrue that you need a licen­se to play golf in Ger­ma­ny. He pro­bab­ly went along with it any­way as part of the sto­ry. He took the test, got a licen­se and saw what was requi­red. Now he can do a video aboit play­ing golf in Ger­ma­ny witho­it get­ting a licen­se first.

    1. Some cour­ses still requi­re it. Some years back a for­mer NHL Pro with a HCP of 16 was requi­red by the club to atleast pass the theo­ry exam.

  20. The idea isn’t that bad, it all depends on the pro­fes­sio­nal who coa­ches you/preps you for your licen­se (I never heard of anyo­ne fai­ling it).
    What a good pro­fes­sio­nal basi­cal­ly tri­es to teach you is:
    Pro­per way of fixing debits, pitch­marks or raking the bun­ker, and a good inst­ruc­tor tea­ches you, that even though you may need 10+ shots on a par 4, you can main­tain a some­what accep­ta­ble game flow.
    Once you’­ve play­ed 18, or even 9 holes behind a 4some of begin­ners that always seems to walk 50 yards from their ball back to their bag you’ll understand.
    Also I am Ger­man, play­ed golf here for a 10+ years now and am a mem­ber in a club now. I never got my licen­se “Platz­rei­fe”, the­re are always ways around it ;).

    1. again the joke here is that most gol­fers in the US would­n’t care about any of that in fact the more they pay for greens-fees the less cour­se-main­ten­an­ce they would do. 

      We have an ent­i­re class of gol­fers in the US who would­n’t even lis­ten when the need for a “golf licen­se” was exp­lai­ned to them. Any of that shit, really.

  21. In Aus­tria you also need a play­ing licen­se and later on a tour­na­ment license.
    Play­ing licen­se grants you access to only the cour­se you took the cour­se and you would need a tour­ney licen­se to enro­le or play in any other club in any club in Austria.
    Fur­ther­mo­re you need to be a club mem­ber at one cour­se to play at other cour­ses sin­ce one needs to admi­nis­ter your Handicap.

    Play­ing licen­se has a small theo­ry cour­se and a few prac­ti­ce les­sons, the tour­ney licen­se has a big­ger theo­ry exam on eti­quet­te and golf rules and you need to play 9 holes and atleast play wit­hin the WHI-54 Requi­re­ments so you have to score X‑Points on your offi­cial first round with the PGA Pro to achie­ve it.

    And it makes play­ing so much more enjoya­ble sin­ce the­re are hard­ly peop­le play­ing who des­troy the flow of the cour­se by not let­ting your through or doing some­thing dangerous.
    But it also makes the bar­ri­er to ent­ry hig­her sin­ce such cour­ses cost a few hund­red euros

  22. you need licen­se in Nor­way aswell, you cant play if you dont have it. you need 2–3 days whe­re 1 day is more about lear­ning the rules, and 1 day you learn to hit dif­frent shots, and last day is a day whe­re you play 9 holes i think

  23. Ok first I’m ger­man, I star­ted play­ing 2 years ago, and inde­ed i didnt want to go on the big cour­se befo­re i can get the balls whe­re i want them to go 2 out of 3 times. In April i joi­ned the local club for 2k p.a., which is a lot of money as a young father alt­hough it spa­res me the Green­fee. BUT what real­ly pis­ses me off and whats also men­tio­ned in the video is that the average gol­fer here takes the game waaaay too serious­ly, as a mat­ter of fact i was in a round with a cou­p­le who bro­ke up in that same round (that was hil­arious though). I’m a fan of the Playa in Chief, Sagu­to, rgc and skratch and i try to keep this men­ta­li­ty and spi­rit and share it with the peop­le i play, and most of time it feels like i am enligh­tening them, which is sad in a way .. but thats ger­man: Jawoll i’m hcp 26! – fat! – Ahrggg Schei­ße! Ty for the video though, gre­at stuff!

  24. 1. the math is not accu­ra­te … about 0.8% ger­mans play golf not 0.01%. qui­te a difference!
    2. IMO a pri­va­te club is one whe­re ONLY mem­bers (and/or their guests) are allo­wed to play, isn‘t it!? my know­ledge is, the­re is not one golf­club in ger­ma­ny, whe­re guests (without mem­ber invi­ta­ti­on) are pro­hi­bi­ted to play. the green­fee might be hig­her in some cases or guests are only allo­wed to play from mon­day-fri­day, but as long as you have an offi­cial HCP or licen­se you can play. yes the­re might be a HCP limi­ta­ti­on (24 or 36), but most­ly becau­se the cour­se has a dif­fi­cult course/slope rating.
    3. the tee box situa­ti­on: only in tour­na­ments you HAVE TO play from the desi­gna­ted her­ren (men) or damen (women) tees. BUT most play­ers think they have to.
    other­wi­se it’s your choice whe­re to tee off, as long the­re are teemarkers.

    1. Try play­ing Golf­club Wann­see in Ber­lin. They won’t even let you on the par­king lot if you are not a member’s guest 😉 The­re are more clubs like that I am sure

    2. @Totmarbz that’s just lit­te­ra­ly not true source: play­ed the­re without knowing anyo­ne. Actual­ly a pret­ty good deal for youth/students.

    3. @Totmarbz that’s true if you want to play the­re on wee­kends, yes! but thru mon­day-fri­day the­re is no pro­blem as a guest (as long as you are wil­ling to pay 180€ green­fee – which is by far the hig­hest in germany).

  25. 11:14 EAL acts supri­sed about “if you are not a mem­ber of the club, you can­not play”, like that is some­thing uneard of in US 🤣🤣🤣

  26. I play golf in Ger­ma­ny and actual­ly am in my first year of beco­m­ing a Ful­ly Qua­li­fied PGA Pro­fes­sio­nal. We lear­ned the “Platz­rei­fe” a litt­le dif­fe­rent than shown in this video. It usual­ly con­sists of 3 parts: First the golf pro goes and plays a cou­p­le of holes with the peop­le who make the “Platz­rei­fe” to show them basic rules and eti­quet­te. Then they have to take a test to see if they know the­se basic things. After that they have to play 9 holes in the sta­ble­ford for­mat and have to get at least 12 points play­ing at han­di­cap 54. I think it’s a litt­le unne­cessa­ry for peop­le to go through that but at the same time I think it also has its pros sin­ce begin­ners know basic rules, can hit a ball (at least a litt­le) and know the eti­quet­te. And bes­i­des the writ­ten test I think it is ok.

  27. As Enzo poin­ted out some­thing simi­lar is nee­ded in the Nether­lands. Some pro­ven skill and know­ledge of rules makes it some­what safer in cer­tain cases. But it is for sure a hurd­le. Luck­i­ly the­re are qui­te some par 3 to 4 cour­ses whe­re play is pos­si­ble without the right paper. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

  28. Incredi­ble video. Thank you very much for expo­sing us to some incredi­ble golf expe­ri­en­ces. Now I have to add gol­fing in Ger­ma­ny to my bucket list of things to do in Germany.

  29. Nor­way has a some­what simi­lar thing. You need to do a short intro­duc­to­ry online cour­se, and then you have what is basi­cal­ly an intro­duc­to­ry les­son with a pro at a cour­se. The­re used to be a licen­se whe­re you had to pass a test, now you pret­ty much just need to finish the intro­duc­to­ry cour­se. While it does put a for­mal (and mone­ta­ry) ent­ry requi­re­ment on golf, it makes sure peop­le go out on the cour­se without the fee­ling that ever­ything they are doing is wrong. The cost of about 200 USD felt pret­ty bad at first, but when I rea­li­sed I got basi­cal­ly a 3 hour group les­son, hund­reds of ran­ge balls and mem­bers­hip (with free play) for the ent­i­re sea­son, it see­med like a pret­ty good deal.

    You also need a club mem­bers­hip to play, but I think that is part insuran­ce and part becau­se government does sup­port spor­ting orga­niz­a­ti­ons based on mem­bers­hip. As Erik has play­ed in Nor­way befo­re, he also knows that any club card or han­di­cap cer­ti­fi­ca­te would suffice.

    1. @touristguy87 The les­son is not to learn, the les­son is to under­stand a few rules how to behave on the cour­se, inclu­ding not to use the last green to tee-off for the next one and hit­ting the dri­ver extra fat! 🤣 That’s not a cour­se, I would want to play.

    2. @Cyber Slim I’m sure that your com­ment sounds good to you but it liter­al­ly makes no logi­cal sen­se. Given that, I restrain mys­elf from reply­ing to you further.

    3. $200 US in the US gets you a decent set of used clubs, two half hour les­sons and a full 18 with a cart on a decent cour­se. $300 you can get a set of new clubs and all the rest too.

      Making you spend that much just to get per­mis­si­on to play the game is outra­ge­ous and unac­cep­ta­ble. It’s taxa­ti­on dis­gui­sed as enhan­cing a sport.

    4. @The Indoor Out­doors­man …and it does­n’t gua­ran­tee that you’­re eit­her going to play well or respect the rules of golf, the cour­se and other play­ers. Any more than get­ting a dri­vers’ licen­se means that you’­re going to be a good driver. 

      For an examp­le, there’s the “play­ing music in the cart” débâcle. Which has to go down in histo­ry as one of the grea­test examp­les of pas­si­ve-aggres­si­ve­ness ever. 

      “gee I hope that you don’t mind if we play music in our cart during our round, I mean it just makes the round better..not to men­ti­on if we get drunk and loud.…”

  30. I had to shoot a cer­tain score on a 9‑ho­le-cour­se and pass a test with ques­ti­ons about rules and Golf. A friend just bought his Platz­rei­fe online for a few Euros. I don‘t belie­ve its a law. Every club makes its own rules.

  31. Inte­res­ting to hear you spea­king about Swe­den having a lot of gol­fers, becau­se we are requi­red to under­go trai­ning and obtai­ning a licen­se in order to play as well.

  32. In Fin­land we have the exact same thing its cal­led a “Green Card”. If you want to have a han­di­cap (which is requi­red on all golf cour­ses excep most par 3s) the green card is the way to get it. Also a mem­bers­hip at some golf club is requi­red which keeps your han­di­cap up to date.

  33. Gre­at video, did­n’t rea­li­se this was the sto­ry in Ger­ma­ny. I’ve wan­ted to play the­re for a few years, the quell­ness resort is on my bucket list. The drin­king boo­ze and play­ing isn’t a thing here in Ire­land (whe­re I live) or Eng­land (whe­re I’m from). It seems to be an Ame­ri­can thing. This also makes me want to play in the sta­tes as my two of my favou­rite things are golf and beer

    1. Go to Thailand!
      No licen­se requi­red, ple­nty of real­ly good cour­ses, most of them public, good wea­ther (may­be a bit hot some­ti­mes but nice during the shit­ty mon­ths in the nort­hern hemi­s­phe­re) AND just about every cour­se has a bar every third hole… And you can usual­ly have an excel­lent and inex­pen­si­ve meal at the clubhouse.

  34. It’s the same in Den­mark whe­re I play­ed for many years. They don’t want you to hack up the cour­ses and have some know­ledge of eti­quet­te and play­ing abi­li­ty. So basi­cal­ly ever­y­whe­re in Euro­pe, exclu­ding GB & I, whe­re golf and par 3/pitch and put are as com­mon as muck 🙂

  35. I am col­le­ge stu­dent stu­dy­ing abroad in Frank­furt and this could not be a more per­fect video. Only wish it came out a cou­p­le mon­ths ago

  36. The Pro­blem is not the Platz­rei­fe its­elf but the cost at wich it comes. In Ger­ma­ny you pay around 400–500€ for a Platzreife!!

    This and the gene­ral cost of a mem­bers­hip for a Golf­club (around 2000–4000€ per year)makes it real­ly hard to access for the average Per­son and keeps up the ste­reo­ty­pe of the old posh white Gol­fer in Germany.

    1. old posh white Gol­fer in Ger­ma­ny –> Yep. Reti­red lawy­ers and denists’ wives (Zahn­art­z­frau­en) who give you the “do you belong here?” look. I hate it. Thank god my golf club isn’t like that (at least not that much).

  37. This reminds me of a Top Gear epi­so­de whe­re one of the guys was tal­king about a Ger­man fel­low who lost his driver’s licen­se somehow. He asked the Ger­man guy “But if you wan­ted to just may­be jump into your car and dri­ve to the store, you’d be OK pro­bab­ly, right?” “No, it is impos­si­ble to dri­ve in Ger­ma­ny without a licen­se.” “But if you just did that, and dro­ve to the store…” “No, it’s impos­si­ble!” LOL

  38. It’s not a gover­ment-issued licen­se. It’s a two-sta­ge test, one part is a writ­ten test, the other one play­ing on the cour­se. The Ger­man Golf Asso­cia­ti­on put that in place, not the Government. And it’s not a law, it’s a requi­re­ment by the gover­ning body. As a tou­rist, you just need a Han­di­cap to play. You pay your green fee and off you go.

  39. It’s simi­lar to golf here in Ita­ly. The­re are only about 250 golf cour­ses here in a coun­try of 60 mil­li­on peop­le. And only about 100,000 gol­fers. You have to have a card from the Ita­li­an Golf Fede­ra­ti­on that cos­ts 100 euros a year. And get­ting the card is not easy. It seems they do ever­ything to put hurd­les up to get­ting new gol­fers. The­re are vir­tual­ly no public cour­ses here. And very few dri­ving ran­ges or prac­ti­ce faci­li­ties. The only “good” news is that at the two clubs I have belon­ged to, you never need a tee time. You just show up and play as the­re are very few if any other gol­fers on the cour­se. I play­ed today (Tues­day). A beau­ti­ful day after several weeks of rain and my part­ner and I were only 2 of 6 peop­le on the course.

  40. Here in Swe­den golf is big, as said in the video. We have pret­ty much the same licence requre­ment as Ger­ma­ny and that doe­sen’t seem to stop us from playing.

  41. I heard about this licen­se on the r/golf Red­dit just a few days ago, and I was baff­led about this new weird thing that the Ger­mans deci­ded to do. Gre­at video Erik

  42. I play­ed in Ger­ma­ny and The Nether­lands many years ago and don’t remem­ber having to take a test. But I do remem­ber having to have a offi­cial handicap. 

    Times have changed…

  43. Qui­te sad this I think. I under­stand the rules and wan­ting a bit of know­ledge befo­re going on a cour­se, I think ever­yo­ne should have a basic idea, but at the end of the day it’s only a game, the paycheck is always going to be the same, so any­bo­dy whe­ther the­re just star­ting or have been play­ing for awhile should have the oppor­tu­ni­ty to impro­ve, spend time with friends and play from wha­te­ver tees allows them to enjoy the game they’­ve spent a lot of money to play.

  44. Gre­at epi­so­de, and yes I’ve heard of the­se in Ger­ma­ny. Howe­ver I’ve also heard that if you have a US Han­di­cap it exempts you from this, mea­ning from a club. From what I’ve heard is that basi­cal­ly if you have a US Han­di­cap or from some­whe­re else basi­cal­ly someo­ne will fol­low you for a hole or two to make sure that you know what you are doing. Is this true or am I wrong?

    1. As an Ame­ri­can, I never nee­ded to take the platz­rei­fe cour­se. I show­ed pro­of of my han­di­cap in the US and was allo­wed to play. You might be able to talk your way on to some cour­ses without having a han­di­cap, but it might be a problem.

    2. You’­re not wrong, if you have any kind of han­di­cap you can play in Ger­ma­ny, i’ve play­ed all over pre­sen­ting my HKGA card and it’s fine. To be honest, we’­ve play­ed many times without even that, if you show up as a for­eig­ner with clubs and a boo­king, well, we’­ve never been tur­ned away. 

      We’­ve not been fol­lo­wed eit­her, no-one we have come across in 5 year or so play­ing the­re has ever been anything other than very wel­co­m­ing and super nice.

  45. The­re are alot of Par 3 cour­ses (usual­ly cal­led excu­ti­ve cour­ses in the US) that will allow you to play without a licen­se as practise.

  46. Here in Bel­gi­um you have to take a writ­ten mul­ti­ple choice test (open book). After that you have to do your first prac­ti­cal test which is on the prac­ti­ce short cour­se, 3 holes par 3’s with a maxi­mum of 15 strokes. Once you’ve past that you get a 54 han­di­cap, then you have to do the real exam on the cour­se to get your actu­al han­di­cap. Basi­cal­ly you can’t do it in one day….. and this is why it puts off a lot of peop­le. I went to Spain to go play on the lovely cour­ses, and I asked do you need to see my golf fede­ra­ti­on card and they were loo­king at me like what are you on about? Just pay and have fun 🤷🏼 if they would do it like this every whe­re most clubs would see a big incre­a­se in inco­me for sure

  47. Very cool to see Erik here in Ger­ma­ny!! I play here with an older han­di­cap card from the US. But I am not a mem­ber any­whe­re though!! I can only play by paying green­fees no membership.

  48. As a rela­tively new gol­fer, I never would have taken up the sport if the­re were bar­ri­ers like this. I gol­fed my first 18 when my bud­dies nee­ded a 4th and just told be to come have fun. I got the bug and have taken up the sport and golf all the time now. If I nee­ded to get a licen­se just to hit a ball with a stick I never would have got­ten into it. Seems prepos­te­rous and snoo­ty, it’s just a game

    1. @Ruben Lie­vens thats exact­ly some­thing a gate­kee­per would­ve said lmao. if you have issu­es with begin­ner gol­fers, the­re are always exclu­si­ve pri­va­te clubs for you to play in. public muni cour­ses shd be devoid of the­se snobbery

    2. @Ruben Lie­vens That it was the cour­se staff are the­re for. Report pro­blem play­ers and let them hand­le it. A licen­se won’t do a damn thing to stop an ass­ho­le from being an asshole.

    3. @The Indoor Out­doors­man the thing is becau­se we have a licen­se we don’t need staff for that, we have a mar­shal who will inter­vene if necessa­ry. If for examp­le peop­le are play­ing without green fee.

    4. @Ruben Lie­vens Just like a dri­vers licen­se, it does­n’t mean a fuck­ing thing. If someo­ne is going to be shit­ty, they’ll be shit­ty with or without the license.

      I’ve only ever once, in my seven years of gol­fing, seen an issue on the cour­se. It was a group of 5 being slow and not let­ting others play through. I caught up to them on the 6th hole and after the 9th was done and I could safe­ly get by I went to the pro shop and said something. 

      Mana­ger went out and tal­ked to them and resol­ved the issue.

    5. @Ruben Lie­vens the­se are all pam­phlet mate­ri­al. As far as slowing peop­le down becau­se you’re bad, ever­yo­ne is bad when they start gol­fing. If you can’t play you can’t get better.

  49. I am from Ger­ma­ny and as a kid i always wan­ted to play golf, but my par­ents could not real­ly afford it and they are not poor just midd­le class. I play­ed and still play soc­cer and play­ed table ten­nis and ten­nis, but golf were always some weird éli­te group that were not open for nor­mal peop­le and today after play­ing tone of golf some of the weir­dest and unfriend­ly gol­fers are actual­ly pret­ty bad at it. My par­ents even gave me the oppor­tu­ni­ty to play on holi­days and i play­ed like 10 times a year swing golf. Now sin­ce 5 years i play regu­lar­ly and sin­ce coro­na i play each wee­kend and have my licen­se and I love golf. Its a shame that its still like this in ger­ma­ny. Some friends even make fun of me for play­ing golf as the stig­ma is huge in ger­ma­ny and a lot of it is actual­ly true. It kin­da of chan­ge and i hope it will fur­ther change

  50. Man you couldn’t have cho­sen part­ners for this seri­es that are more Ger­man than tho­se intro­du­ced. 😂 Jokes asi­de. The­re is no rule for any cour­se to have the Platz­rei­fe as a requi­re­ment. It also doesn’t have to do with insuran­ce as the DGV is can­cel­ling the insuran­ce thing in 2022. The way Golf is orga­ni­zed in the ger­man spea­king coun­tries has a lot to do with tra­di­ti­on and we have dif­fi­cul­ties with let­ting go of them. Next time you visit Ger­ma­ny you have to come to Ham­burg and say hi to the guys from GC St. Pau­li or take part in their annu­al Pro/Am. That should be more your cup of tea.

  51. Same here. I am Ger­man and I play golf for four years now, and it never occur­red to me that Platz­rei­fe is a thing in Ger­ma­ny (and Aus­tria) only. Dang 🙂

  52. Unfor­tu­n­a­te­ly, what they are say­ing is not true. 600.000 out out of 80 mil­li­on is rough­ly 1% and not 0.01%.
    And bes­i­des that, I know well over 20 „real public“ golf cour­ses in Ger­ma­ny whe­re you don’t even need a Platz­rei­fe. And that’s only in a small part of Ger­ma­ny. Most of the time a pri­va­te club also has one of the­se for ever­y­bo­dy. That’s how I started.

  53. I lear­ned to sail in the UK. Moving back to Ger­ma­ny I quit sai­ling. Need a licence to sail in Ger­ma­ny. The Platz­rei­fe made me take up golf a cou­p­le of years later.

  54. Hey i am also from ger­ma­ny and in my opi­ni­on is the licen­se a good thing. Well it depends what trai­ner you have. I had a nice one that show­ed me how to do a prop­per swing and what the rules are of the game. After 4 or 5 trai­ning ses­si­ons i had the licen­se and was good to go. Also at my club we have the 18 hole cour­se you can only play with a licen­se and a short cour­se ever­y­bo­dy can play, you can also rent golf clubs.

  55. The situa­ti­on is the same here in in Ita­ly and I think in most of con­ti­nen­tal euro­pe. Most of the cour­ses are for mem­bers but beeing also tou­rist desti­na­ti­ons once you are regis­tered to the natio­nal golf asso­cia­ti­on you can play ever­y­whe­re paying a green free. Golf here wants to stay éli­te and attract rich locals or cash in on tourists.

  56. While it would not be con­clu­si­ve, given the low per­cen­ta­ges of play­ers vs popu­la­ti­on; it would be inte­res­ting to know what the average pace of play is in Ger­ma­ny? Does pro­hi­bi­t­ing unqua­li­fied play­ers equa­te to fas­ter rounds with less back up at tee boxes?

  57. I’d like to see a block of time set asi­de for begin­ners only at public cour­ses in the USA. Peop­le that can play would glad­ly avoid at tho­se times to avoid run­ning up behind them on the cour­se all of the other times. Of cour­se that would be impos­si­ble so may­be just set asi­de 1 cour­se for high han­di­cap­pers, or 2 depen­ding on how many cour­ses are avail­ab­le in an area that are city fun­ded if enough of tho­se exist.

  58. This is a way to ensu­re the game doesn’t grow. Push the eli­tist image and keep cul­tu­ring that. Gen­der spe­ci­fic tees are also some­thing that must stop globally .

  59. Swe­den has the same thing. The­re is a very spe­ci­fic cul­tu­re in golf whe­re you have an offi­cial hcp. You have to have a green card to be allo­wed to play and some nice cour­ses you even have to have a spe­ci­fic han­di­cap (15 or 36, u start on 54 with your green­card) to be able to play.
    To get your green card you have to do a online cour­se (rules etc) AND a play test. You have to play 9 holes of golf in under a spe­ci­fic amount of strokes with a mem­ber of the club and then get your score­card vali­da­ted with a club. Then to get your green­card you also have to be a mem­ber in a swe­dish golf­club to get your Golf id ( your golf social secu­ri­ty num­ber) so that you can book tee times and such.

    The­re is also ALOT of unwrit­ten rules when you play golf in Swe­den. Some offi­cial and some ethi­cal rules. If you dont fol­low them alot of peop­le will look at you fun­ny or you might get an email or a call from your own club becua­se you repre­sent them even when you play at other courses 🙂

  60. Ano­t­her gre­at video Erik. I love lear­ning about dif­fe­rent cul­tures. I think any­bo­dy that has play­ed behind a group that does­n’t know or igno­res golf eti­quet­te would favour a licen­se requi­re­ment. I also like how the Scots will kick you off the golf cour­se if you can’t get around in 3 hours.

    1. Exact­ly! And with limi­ted land in Euro­pe and how dan­ge­rous a golf ball can tru­ly be, I abso­lute­ly belie­ve in this concept.

  61. What a gre­at epi­so­de. I think it is a very good idea. During COVID lock­down, here in Aus­tra­lia, golf was one of the few sports we could play. The cour­se was packed with excep­tio­nal­ly slow play­ers with no idea of eti­quet­te. Upsi­de? Found heaps of brand new balls every round😜

    1. It was mad, they would lea­ve a new pro v sit­ting just off the fair­way, they weren’t watching whe­re their balls went. You would find up to 4 a round.

    1. @DannyBoy i know right i felt obli­ga­ted after sear­ching for it. Felt like he nee­ded the sup­port. she should get fore tat­ted on tho­se swin­ging them around like that.

    1. @Owen Buchanan Yep, tras­hy and class­less. Tra­shing a golf cour­se play­ing shit­ty music and drunk is neit­her class nor fun.
      Keep your bro beha­vi­ors fort­he frat house.

  62. The­re are some good and bad takea­ways from the Ger­man sys­tem. I know, I taught golf the­re for 10 years. The fun of the game is real­ly hard to cap­tu­re becau­se you’­re under pres­su­re to play 3 over par per hole for 9 holes from day one! After they’­ve ponied up your mem­bers­hip fee! You’ll also need to fork out the money for les­sons, a set of clubs and all the access­ories. Howe­ver! The Platz­rei­fe also incor­po­ra­tes a rules and eti­quet­te exam. This is the part I real­ly like, and it’s some­thing that we can learn from in Ame­ri­ca. The German’s know the rules of golf (insi­de & out) and more import­ant­ly, they real­ly under­stand golf eti­quet­te. For examp­le, the­re are no “Mul­ligans” or 5 hour rounds! Oh! And you can’t play fiveso­mes! BTW – There’s also an exam to get your fishing or boa­ting licen­se, among other hobbies.

    1. @touristguy87 I’m not sure how my com­ment was self cen­te­red. I lit­ter­al­ly said do what you want in your group as long as you don’t impact the enjoy­ment of other gol­fers. enjoy your next round touristguy.

    2. @Nick Dula­vitz I’m pret­ty sure that you did­n’t, but I’m not going to go look through your post histo­ry to pro­ve it. The point is that anyo­ne who has play­ed enough golf knows that the­re are many ways that peop­le can “have fun” play­ing golf. Many of which are not good.

  63. Erik try­ing to wrap his head around how cra­zy it is to need a golf licen­se in Ger­ma­ny is like most peop­le try­ing to wrap their minds around gun laws in the US

    1. @SilkyJohnson Haha­ha. Ame­ri­cans are so quick to bring up their con­sti­tu­ti­on… My point is, a Golf Licen­se is a stan­dard thing in Ger­ma­ny, yet the rest of the world thinks it’s cra­zy. And US gun laws seem pret­ty nor­mal to Ame­ri­can citi­zens, alt­hough most first world coun­tries find them abso­lute­ly ridi­cu­lous. It was a metaphor.

  64. Play­ed golf in 1985 at Baden Baden Golf Club in Bave­r­ia, Ger­ma­ny. Cour­se ope­ned in 1927. I was infor­med in advan­ce about restric­tions to play. Told them I was a mem­ber of Cher­ry Hills and a 18 han­di­cap, both of which were far fet­ched! Paid fees, ren­ted clubs, and play­ed as a sin­gle. They were not over­ly friend­ly, but sent me on my way. Dif­fi­cult cour­se for a begin­ner, but play­ing golf in Euro­pe was on my list of things I will pro­bab­ly never have a chan­ce to do again. Loo­ks like I was cor­rect in my thinking!

    1. I should have said Black Forest, Not Bava­ria. It does bor­der the Bava­ri­an regi­on but not in Bava­ria. Why would I be disappointed?

  65. I won­der how much the licen­sing cos­ts and what the record is for times attemp­ted and fai­led befo­re get­ting com­ple­ting the test? I wish I had a litt­le les­son as a kid lear­ning the game, but we just went to the local muni and the 9 hole cour­se and hacked away til we got the hang of it.

    1. i payed 250€ (around $290) for it.. inclu­ding 3 mon­ths of play­ing on the cour­se without mem­bers­hip and 4 hours of lessons
      now, as a stu­dent for examp­le, at my local cour­se it is only 89€ 

      BUT.. now it is owned by a mil­lion­aire who bought the club out of bankrupcy

      so.. yeah..
      tell your dad you want to play golf, and he tells you to win the lot­te­ry first

  66. Thank you for this video, I’m from Ger­ma­ny and I got my Platz­rei­fe in Octo­ber. It’s stran­ge for a begin­ner gol­fer, that you have to do this. I would’ve loved just to go out on a cour­se and try ever­ything by mys­elf, but somehow I’m hap­py for this sys­tem, cau­se you’re get­ting inst­ruc­tions right from the begin­ning. But I have to say, that the­re are way more cour­ses here in Ger­ma­ny, that you can play without the Platz­rei­fe. Just go the­re, pay your Green­fee and head to the tee box.
    And to make that sure, when you’ve reach an offi­cial han­di­cap, nobo­dy is inte­res­ted in the Platz­rei­fe cer­ti­fi­ca­te anymore.

    1. “But I have to say, that the­re are way more cour­ses here in Ger­ma­ny, that you can play without the Platz­rei­fe. Just go the­re, pay your Green­fee and head to the tee box.”

      Yeah well unfor­tu­n­a­te­ly the guy in this video kept get­ting told that he had to have a Platz­rei­fe to play golf in Ger­ma­ny and he kept belie­ving them. 

      Eit­her that or he just wan­ted to take the test to see what it was like.

  67. Same sys­tem in Swe­den and a lot of other Euro­pean coun­tries. When I star­ted play­ing 18 years ago I had to take one writ­ten test on eti­quet­te, a test on golf rules and a play­ing test. During the last cou­p­le years the rules have been rela­xed qui­te a bit to get the licen­se and I can­not say I am a fan of it. If peop­le have no idea how to act on the cour­se it could poten­ti­al­ly be dan­ge­rous, but the real pro­blem I see is slow play. I much pre­fer the Ger­man sys­tem over the Ame­ri­can. Not the rule about the tee though, as that is just dumb. In Swe­den they chan­ged the name from ladies and men’s tee to just call it by the length of cour­se. So tee 59 would be 5900 meter length. And you can choo­se whiche­ver one you want and the­re is a slo­pe rating for all the tees for both men and woman.

    1. My golf cour­se here in Ger­ma­ny has ratings for all tee boxes. So it’s not a rule. What we lack here is tee boxes for child­ren. My ques­ti­on to you is: can also choo­se the tee box in a tour­na­ment in Sweden?

    2. It pre­cise­ly the same in Den­mark. The ‘intro clas­ses’ gives you a nice intro­duc­tion to the game, other play­ers, rules and basic trai­ning. Pret­ty much to avoid tom dick and joe to run around swin­ging away, des­troy­ing the cour­se ect. run­ning around a golf cour­se stu­pid drunk, well, pro­per­ly the ame­ri­can way

  68. Well! having licen­se to play golf seems under­stand­a­ble for Ger­man. As she said Ger­mans lik­ed to be gui­ded in every-way. I was sur­pri­sed to find a golf shop near Beethoven’s house when I can’t seems to find golf cour­se near by. I’m 51 and I remem­ber rea­ding golf inst­ruc­tion book whe­re young Ber­nard lan­ger was fea­tured as showing all the swings when I was 15yrs old at my friend’s house in S. Korea who came from Ger­ma­ny 🇩🇪. They are too much into soc­cers thus Mar­tin and Ber­nard are among two well known gol­fers from Germany 😉

  69. How fun­ny – I real­ly thought that the “Platz­rei­fe” was a world­wi­de golf con­cept and not a typi­cal Ger­man inven­ti­on! Inte­res­tin­g­ly, I have play­ed in dif­fe­rent coun­tries around Ger­ma­ny and was occa­sio­nal­ly asked what my han­di­cap is – but nobo­dy asked about my “Platz­rei­fe”. I guess that makes me a ste­reo­ty­pi­cal Ger­man. At least I can laugh hear­ti­ly at my sim­pli­ci­ty!!! Cheers from Colo­gne, NRW

  70. Qui­te inte­res­ting to get an out­si­der view to Ger­man Golf culture. 

    Howe­ver, first, the­re is no law in Ger­ma­ny that deman­ds any golf club to insist on a “Platz­rei­fe” cer­ti­fi­ca­te. This is just com­ing from the club them­sel­ves. But on near­ly all Ger­man golf cour­ses you need this “Platz­rei­fe” but also a mem­bers­hip in a golf club. I per­so­nal­ly know only a sin­gle club run­ning a 9 hole cour­se not reques­ting both. Then the­re are some very few not reques­ting a mem­bers­hip. And some golf clubs own a Par 3 cour­se with 3 or 6 holes you can use without this “Platz­rei­fe”.

    For for­eig­ners, like tou­rists, most Ger­man clubs will not insist on a mem­bers­hip but perhaps some kind of han­di­cap pro­of. Espe­cial­ly in tou­ris­tic regi­ons which are depen­dent of green fee players.

    And a final com­ment: The­re was a short dis­cus­sion about public and pri­va­te golf cour­ses. Public cour­ses in the sen­se of being run by a com­mu­ni­ty do (near­ly) not exist in Ger­ma­ny. So all cour­ses are pri­va­te. But all cour­ses accept green fee play­ers, some perhaps not on wee­kends, but all pri­va­te clubs are open to guests (as long as the­se guests can pro­of their han­di­cap and, as long as they live in Ger­ma­ny, can pro­of a mem­bers­hip in a Ger­man golf club 🙂)

  71. It’s inte­res­ting, I get whe­re the idea comes from. I think of get­ting my hun­ting licen­se here in the US, obvious­ly their very dif­fe­rent. Gun safe­ty is much more important than golf safe­ty but over­all it felt like a small hurd­le just to dis­cou­ra­ge peop­le from dicking around in the woods with a gun try­ing to claim their “hun­ting”. Ger­ma­nys doing the same thing, dis­cou­ra­ging peop­le from try­ing to golf if they aren’t going to take it serious­ly. It’s ridi­cu­lous, but I can under­stand whe­re the thought pro­cess came from

    1. I don’t think that it is a ques­ti­on of why they are doing this, or even if it’s the sta­te of Ger­ma­ny its­elf or just the golf cour­ses that requi­re a license. 

      but plea­se don’t mix gun safe­ty and “golf safe­ty” in the same sentence.

    2. @touristguy87 Bro don’t get hung up on one sen­ten­ces espe­cial­ly when I said their Very dif­fe­rent. The only rea­son I said it was to Seg­way into my point. 

      Obvious­ly golf safe­ty isn’t a thing… what I was try­ing to say is that get­ting my hun­ting licen­se when I did and get­ting your golf licen­se in Ger­ma­ny are simi­lar in the facts that most of the trai­ning has to do with eti­quet­te. So dis­re­gard me say­ing “gun safe­ty” I was more focu­sed on the sil­ly eti­quet­te trai­ning. Cau­se if your not awa­re, about two days of my clas­ses for my hun­ting licen­se we’re just sil­ly rules and tips about the eti­quet­te of hun­ting. Only one day was actual­ly spent using a gun

    3. @Captain Jack a) not your bro b) don’t be a dou­che and try to tell others what not to care about c) you just made no sen­sr and you clear­ly rea­li­ze that after the fact

  72. Loved to see Ger­ma­ny fea­tured in your vide­os! Just a few thoughts on the ups and downs of the golf licence from my side: In gene­ral, I think it is a good idea that you have to take some les­sons when star­ting as this is the time whe­re you are the most “form­a­ble” and learn the swing right from the begin­ning. Also, at least knowing the basics gives you more fun on the cour­se when you start actual­ly play­ing on the cour­se as your mis­hits get not annoyin­gly much. When I did my licen­se, my home club allo­wed me on the cour­se after like a week and after like a mon­th you have rea­listic chan­ces to play 6 out of nine holes at three over par.
    That you have to be a mem­ber of a club I think is not only an insuran­ce issue but rather that most clubs are not com­pa­nies but non pro­fits and the mem­bers are the ones sus­tai­ning the cour­se. So if you aren’t in a club it is kind of chea­ting in my opinion.
    But as long as you are a mem­ber of a club and have the platz­rei­fe you can play (almost) any­whe­re in Germany.
    Inter­na­tio­nals do not need a platz­rei­fe as far as I know as it is not­hin else than a ‑54 han­di­cap and as long as your offi­cial han­di­cap is bet­ter than that (lol) you’re good to go.

    On the down­si­de, I think it actual­ly hin­ders peop­le to start golf as you need to make that initi­al com­mit­ment (but don’t you have that in most sports any­ways?) and it makes the gol­fers appe­ar more éli­te than they actual­ly are.
    What wasn’t men­tio­ned here, is that this strict sys­tem has cau­sed for what I would con­si­der rip-offs. The­re is one offi­cial test from the Ger­man golf socie­ty that is actual­ly qui­te hard but the­re are other clubs that offer wee­kend platz­rei­fe cour­ses and we all know that you don’t learn golf in two days :D. Tho­se are of cour­se accep­ted at the club that offers them but if you par­ti­ci­pa­te in a cour­se like this as an easy way out in you actu­al home club, chan­ces are good they won’t accept it (which I think sheds a bad light in golf for peop­le who are just starting).

    A last remarks on the tees you have to play: almost every cour­se I know has cour­se ratings for all the tips so men can play the red if they want to and women the yel­low, none­theless it can be a bit social­ly awk­ward. In tour­na­ments , howe­ver, tees are fixed. 

    After all, i like that golf is chan­ging in Ger­ma­ny and I think it is to the bet­ter and not as stiff as it used to be. 

    Cheers from Frankfurt !

  73. Con­tra­ry to popu­lar belief, the­re are some “open” golf cour­ses in Ger­ma­ny that will let you play without a license.
    And: The­re is no law that for­ces golf clubs to check your “Platz­rei­fe”, that is just plain bs. The “Platz­rei­fe” (and the con­cept of having a “pro­per” han­di­cap, thus exp­lai­ning the need for a mem­bers­hip in a club or the “VCG”) is a pure­ly pri­va­te mat­ter, agreed on by the clubs and the ger­man golf asso­cia­ti­on, the “DGV”. Insuran­ce is gene­ral­ly aqui­red by paying greenfee.

    1. Many ger­man cour­ses also accept a han­di­cap from ano­t­her coun­try, but often want you to be a mem­ber some­whe­re. The insuran­ce howe­ver is actual­ly pro­vi­ded by the DGV, bet­ter was, star­ting 2022 the insuran­ce from the DGV will be optio­nal and cost some money.

  74. Golf still has an eli­tist image in Ger­ma­ny and IMO the Platz­rei­fe plays a lar­ge part in it. That and the lack of cheap public cour­ses to start off with. The­re was a wave of new cour­ses ope­ning up in the 90s, most of them asked for ten thousand Marks and more to join. Nowa­days clubs strugg­le to recruit new mem­bers, as the old ones are dying. That for­ces them to open up and I think more and more will relax rules as time goes on. But com­pa­red to the UK, it is still rather dear. 70€ is the mini­mum for a green fee on an 18 hole cour­se. You would strugg­le to find anything cheaper.

    1. I think the con­cept of Platz­rei­fe makes sen­se in gene­ral, espe­cial­ly to ensu­re safe­ty, pace/flow of play etc. for full-size cour­ses. But it would very much help the sport here in Ger­ma­ny if the­re were more tru­ly public cour­ses in the sen­se that peop­le can get in touch with the sport without nee­ding a licen­se, a mem­bers­hip, or 70+ € to spa­re. I’d love to see more youn­ger peop­le play and brin­ging more diver­si­ty to the community.

  75. I lived in Ger­ma­ny for four years. This does­n’t sur­pri­se me at all. I would­n’t doubt if they had speed came­ras on the golf cour­se for the golf carts.

  76. Gre­at Video! I life in Düs­sel­dorf and play the cour­se on a regu­lar basis. So ama­zing and fun­ny to see Ger­man-Golf and our Regi­on through your eyes…and I total­ly agree with you. Düss­le­dorf is the per­fect sice and a gre­at place to enjoy life!

  77. Fran­ce also has a license..the trick to bypass it, is to pre­tend you are a tourist..I get away with it in all cour­ses. All you need to do is book your tee time in Eng­lish or if online, just say that you are visi­t­ing from a non-Euro­pean country.

  78. This is the second Skratch golf video I have wat­ched, and your rela­xed style, off-beat inte­res­ting con­tent and extre­me­ly high pro­duc­tion values have ear­ned my sub­scrip­ti­on. Bravo!

  79. Sor­ry, I just can’t help but laugh when he says there’s no traf­fic. This area is one of the worst traf­fic are­as in Ger­ma­ny. May­be he was here during school vaca­ti­ons, when the traf­fic is a bit ligh­ter. But, all in all, Düs­sel­dorf, and this who­le area, is a gre­at place to live.

  80. OK, may­be it’s some­thing lost in trans­la­ti­on, but it’s not a law that you can’t play without a licen­se, it’s a rule of the Ger­man Golf Federation.

  81. An abso­lute­ly fan­tastic epi­so­de! As a Brit who plays golf living in Ger­ma­ny, the con­cept of a Platz­rei­fe was abso­lute­ly cra­zy to me. I never real­ly saw it from a cul­tu­ral point of view and when Ger­mans do some­thing, they abso­lute­ly want to make sure that they do it the cor­rect way. I defi­ni­te­ly agree with Micha­el that Brits and may­be Ame­ri­cans too pre­fer to go out on the cour­se and learn to play / love it that way. While I do agree with the fact that the­re should be some edu­ca­ti­on befo­re gol­fers go out and play, I belie­ve the­re could be some midd­le ground as I belie­ve it hin­ders the amount of peop­le who will get into golf knowing they have to do some sort of exam befo­re­hand. I think this is backed up by the data that Chris­ti­an pro­vi­des. If peop­le want to go out and give golf a go, the­re should be some lee­way, but then if they would like to com­pe­te in tour­na­ments then that’s when they should be ful­ly edu­ca­ted on the rules. Any­way, thanks for shed­ding light on the situa­ti­on, was a gre­at video! Hope­ful­ly we will see more and more peop­le picking up the game.

  82. Gre­at to make light of the situa­ti­on I’m an eras­mus Stu­dent in Munich just back home becau­se of covid and I had no idea befo­re going over about the Platz­rei­fe I’m hoping to get it next year to play the bmw course

  83. the mea­ning of pri­va­te and public has been mixed up I think. if you have a hcp (Platz­rei­fe) you can play more than 5% of the coun­tries cour­ses. no need to be a mem­ber in order to play.

  84. I (as a Ger­man mys­elf who cur­r­ent­ly lives and plays in Ger­ma­ny) find the Platz­rei­fe very use­ful, espe­cial­ly becau­se it tea­ches you how to fit in on the golf cour­se and not dis­turb or end­an­ger other play­ers. We also send our child­ren to school and teach them how to inter­act with other peop­le, essen­ti­al­ly civi­li­zing them, so they can be a part of our socie­ty without causing more harm than good as a part of it. The same should go for every new envi­ron­ment, espe­cial­ly if other peop­le pay a mem­bers­hip fee to be part of that envi­ron­ment (in this case the golf cour­se belon­ging to a coun­try club). We can´t have the “unci­vi­li­zed” out on the pri­vat cour­ses beo­re it´s made sure, that they dont cau­se more harm than good to the rest of the envi­ron­ment (rep­laing their divots, not slowing down pace of play signi­fi­cant­ly, yelling “fore”, repai­ring ball­marks on the greens, …) .
    The only envi­ron­ment in which such new play­ers could free­ly play on a cour­se is an envi­ron­ment in which all of them, almost exclu­si­ve­ly begin­ners, play (public begin­ner cour­ses) and get attu­n­ed to the eti­quet­te and the game its­elf. But sin­ce tho­se don‘t real­ly exist in Ger­ma­ny, the Platz­rei­fe is the only valid way to keep the sys­tem working.

    1. Think you’­ve over esti­ma­ting the dan­gers of the “unci­vi­li­sed” 😭 Do you real­ly think peop­le without licen­ses in other coun­tries are run­ning around causing may­hem? It’s an inven­ted problem.

    2. It appears to be com­mom prac­ti­ce in mul­ti­ple euro­pean coun­tries though. In ger­ma­ny the­re is sim­ply very litt­le demand for Golf, not every pro­ble is of sys­temi­cal nature

    3. The cour­se staff are at the cour­se for a rea­son. If someo­ne is being dan­ge­rous or rude, go to the pro shop and let the cour­se staff hand­le it. A licen­se is just gate kee­ping the sport and dis­cou­ra­ging peop­le from ever trying.

  85. An archi­tect should have the num­bers right: 650 thousand of 80 mil­li­on equals 0,8 per­cent and not 0,01 per­cent. In Swe­den around 5 per­cent of the popu­la­ti­on plays golf. The lea­ders in this cate­go­ry are Ice­land, Fin­land and Scot­land. The term pri­va­te club can be mis­lea­ding. It doesn’t mean that only mem­bers are allo­wed to play the­re. In fact all [sic!] Ger­man golf cour­ses are open for guests.

  86. Hi Erik, Nice Vid !
    Come to Bel­gi­um and you’d be ama­zed of the tests to be done pri­or to your first game on the course.
    First of all you need to be a mem­ber of a Golf­club, which will pro­vi­de you of a Golf Lis­cen­se num­ber, offe­ring inter­na­tio­nal insuran­ce and other stuff. Not cheap by the way.
    You can then start prac­ti­cing on the ran­ge. After that you’­re obli­ged to take a few les­sons with a pro/teacher, then you need to pass a tech­ni­cal test (stro­ke, chip, put) taken by the pro/teacher.
    If you suc­ceed you then have to go for a round on the cour­se under a pro’s super­vi­si­on, who will deter­mi­ne if it is ok to fol­low the next steps.
    In the mean time you have to do some stu­dy­ing of the golf rules and pass for a theo­re­ti­cal exam (mini­mum score to pass the test is 80% on 30 ran­dom ques­ti­ons on rules and eti­quet­te), which will allow you to prac­ti­ce on a 9 hole cour­se, only in the golf­club you’­re playing.
    Only after 2 extra rounds (1 theor­ethi­cal and 1 prac­ti­cal on sepe­ra­te dates) under super­vi­si­on of some estab­lis­hed club mem­bers tea­ching good golf prac­ti­ce and eti­quet­te, you’­re allo­wed to do your prac­ti­cal exam, whe­re you need to achie­ve a mini­mum sta­ble­ford score of 14 on the 9 hole cour­se. Now you’­re rea­dy to start play­ing at a HCP of about 50…
    This takes on average for most play­ers about 6 mon­ths or more. In theo­ry you could obvious­ly do this in a much shor­ter time, but as most of us are wee­kend players.…
    So if think Ger­mans have heir rules 🙂
    Cheers !
    Alex

  87. Been wai­t­ing for this one!! It’s my home cour­se Erik is play­ing at (GSV) and unfor­tu­n­a­te­ly I mis­sed the RGC Team as I was on vaca­ti­on! Saw his Insta­gram sto­ry and thought, I know this one haha. Hope you enjoy­ed it! 🙂

  88. As a Czech gol­fer, I don’t see the licen­se as some­thing weird. Here in the Czech Repu­blic, we have some­thing cal­led “zelená kar­ta”. It means green card in Eng­lish. It’s very simi­lar to the licen­se in Ger­ma­ny becau­se you’re not allo­wed to play golf until you have your green card. In my opi­ni­on, it’s a gre­at idea. Golf is a com­pli­ca­ted game, so you have to have someo­ne who knows the rules and will teach you the abso­lu­te basics, like a PGA pro, exp­lain it to you.

  89. Hope you can get to Swe­den to expe­ri­ence the “Public natu­re” of golf cul­tu­re here. 

    We do have simi­lar sys­tem in Swe­den, most golf cour­ses requi­res to have a “licen­se” to play. Swe­dish Golf Asso­cia­ti­on has been working to deve­lop a sys­tem that is easier and focu­sing more on the core com­pe­ten­ces in Golf rather the all the “know-how” and eti­quet­te that has been requi­red before. 

    I did not know the per­cen­ta­ge of golf play­ers in Swe­den was that high… 🙂

  90. Very inte­res­ting, one ques­ti­on plea­se, do you know if the Ger­man fede­ra­ti­on will accept a han­di­cap cer­ti­fi­ca­te from a home coun­try eg UK to allow visi­t­ing gol­fers to play? Having a sin­gle figu­re han­di­cap must demons­tra­te a cer­tain level of com­pe­tence. (Insuran­ce is a dif­fe­rent ques­ti­on). Thanks, David

  91. That was a good watch! 

    It’s also the same in Den­mark and Bel­gi­um. You need a Golf Asso­cia­ti­on card to play as its a pri­va­tised sport. Think it should be more public to make it acces­si­ble to more peop­le. You might find the next Jon Rahm becau­se of it.

  92. It’s fun­ny. Howe­ver, bes­i­des the fact it’s the law (I hear laugh­ter), how is it dif­fe­rent from get­ting your han­di­cap when you are tes­ted on shots, eti­quet­te etc then going out on the cour­se to play? I ask this ques­ti­on with some serious­ness as I had les­sons then may have play­ed on cour­se about 15–20 times befo­re get­ting my han­di­cap for the pur­po­se to impro­ve and get my score­cards for my han­di­cap. So is this not rough­ly the same?

    Whe­re I live the­re are three public cour­ses. Two allow play­ers without han­di­cap. One requi­res it but if you don’t have then they make you do a small test befo­re allowing you out on the course.

  93. If it pro­mo­tes fast play then I’m all for it. Covid has brought many peop­le who don’t under­stand that they are backing up the cour­se put­ting for 9. A 5 hour round is nor­mal in San Diego. 

    When I’m king this shit is going to change.

  94. My honest opi­ni­on as a Ger­man is that I woul­d’­ve got­ten into golf a lot ear­lier, my dad had a few try­outs and real­ly like it, but becau­se of the step­ping stone Platz­rei­fe you can’t just go out the­re and play, I’m 20 now gol­fing for 2 years, hope I can get to sin­gle Digit HCP next year. Also we Ger­mans are real­ly like, don’t wan­na emba­rass mys­elf infront of ever­yo­ne on the 1st day, that’s why we learn rules and stuff.

  95. Moved from Ger­ma­ny to the US in 2015 and star­ted play­ing golf in 2018. Never play­ed golf in Ger­ma­ny and watching this now I am not sur­pri­sed. It seems very stuffy com­pa­red to the expe­ri­en­ces I have had in the US so far.

  96. I never rea­li­sed that this is dif­fe­rent in the rest of the world. In the Nether­lands we have the same sys­tem whe­re you have to get a licence befo­re you can play on a cour­se. I always assu­med it was the same in ame­ri­ca, but I that’s not the case 😅

  97. So the Ger­man government wants to make you get a licen­se to play golf but doesn’t want to run a public golf cour­se… that sounds backwards.

  98. It is exact­ly the same in Ita­ly. Actual­ly you have to pass a writ­ten test, than a prac­ti­cal one around the golf cour­se. That said, the rule is not always applied…

  99. LoL I live in AZ and we just got cal­led out on a world­wi­de sta­ge for being loud alco­ho­lics on the golf cour­se! I plead the fifth!

  100. It is so fun­ny see­ing it with that View. I am living in Ger­ma­ny, play­ing Golf (mem­bers­hio and ever­ything, Bla­bla) and have never done a Platz­rei­fe. The­re are also other ways. And @eric have you need to do the theo­re­ti­cal Test also? Actual­ly it is a prac­ti­cal and theo­re­ti­cal “Exam”.
    And just for all who are thin­king we are cra­zy: for fishing, you need a licen­se as well 😂😉

  101. In Ita­ly we need a licen­se too, but to get it, you have also to pass a writ­ten test on the golf rules.
    We have also to pay 75€ every year to the “Feder­a­zio­ne Ita­lia­na Golf” wich inclu­de the insuran­ce. A cou­p­le of years ago it was 25€, then was rised becau­se Rome was selec­ted for the Ryder cup to rise some money to finan­ce the event. I bet that after it, the amount will remain the same…
    The worst about golf here in Ita­ly, is that during the wee­kend, almost ever­y­whe­re, if you want to play befo­re 2 PM, you must play in a con­test, adding around 20€ to the cost of the green fee.

  102. Sta­tio­ned in Ger­ma­ny with the US Army and play­ed all the base cour­ses, but didn’t know Ger­ma­ny requi­red their citi­zens to have a platz­rei­fe. Educational. 👍🏼

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  104. Not say­ing I don’t like it, but the chan­nel has beco­me more “tele­vi­si­on qua­li­ty” and I’m just not used to it. Ive been with the chan­nel sin­ce the “let’s wing it days” and I dug tho­se vibes. Nevertheless still beau­ti­ful, still incredi­ble, still a fan and I will con­ti­nue to watch every sin­gle episode.

    Thanks, peace.

  105. As an Ame­ri­can living over here the­re is so much mis­lea­ding stuff in here it’s actual­ly cra­zy. First of all, what is con­si­de­red a pri­va­te cour­se in Ger­ma­ny is not ana­lo­gous to a pri­va­te cour­se in the united sta­tes. In the US a pri­va­te cour­se does­n’t just mean pri­va­te­ly owned and ope­ra­ted, but pri­va­te in that only mem­bers can play, in Ger­ma­ny it merely means pri­va­te­ly owned. In rea­li­ty the­re are almost zero cour­ses in Ger­ma­ny that are pri­va­te in the Ame­ri­can golf con­text. 99% of the “pri­va­te” cour­ses here anyo­ne can play. It’s actual­ly mind-blowing that this got left unex­p­lai­ned and the view­er was just meant to think that in Ger­ma­ny 95% of cour­ses are pri­va­te, which in an Ame­ri­can golf con­text would mean that 95% of cour­ses are unplay­a­ble to the public, and the oppo­si­te is reality. 

    Also, the per­cen­ta­ge of Ger­mans that play golf isn’t 0.01%, that would be like 8,000 people.

    1. You’­re not the only one who had the­se thoughts. In my com­ment I poin­ted out the same things. Do you know if the­re is a pri­va­te golf club in Ger­ma­ny, whe­re guests are not allo­wed to play?

  106. We call this a GVB in Bel­gi­um, as a licence to play. They used to start at 36, now it’s 54. They make spe­cial ent­ry comp for ‘rab­bits’ up to whcp 36

  107. This is very simi­lar all across Euro­pe, I belie­ve. We have a theo­re­ti­cal exam, a prac­ti­cal exam and then need to score under 36 befo­re being allo­wed to play freely.

  108. Being Ger­man i am actual­ly a fan of the Platz­rei­fe, what was not cove­r­ed in the video is the fact that with a Platz­rei­fe, you kind of make sure that begin­ners are actual­ly able to play the 18 holes making sure 1. They know the core rules & eti­quet­te to main­tain the tra­di­ti­on 2. Play at an ade­qua­te speed 3. not des­troy­ing the cour­se sin­ce its super expen­si­ve to maintain.

    1. @ridegriff50 you can drink and play music as long as you are not being an ass­ho­le and hol­ding peop­le up or des­troy­ing the course.

    2. @Fitness Trai­ner It’s not sole­ly on rules and eti­quet­te, but also about the basics of actual­ly play­ing. My Platz­rei­fe took 6–7 hours on the ran­ge (gui­ded by a Pro of cour­se) and two rounds on the short cour­se and in the end I payed 150€. Given that you’­re likely to invest the money in Pro les­sons anyways…

    3. @Srokaldinho I am say­ing as an ame­ri­can who would visit Ger­ma­ny, why would I want to pay money for the Platz­rei­fe? I know the basic eti­quet­te and rules along with being able to pro­per­ly play

  109. When i got my licen­se in Swe­den in ear­ly 2000, I found that was very good sys­tem. It’s not like it stops peop­le who real­ly want to play to play. Who wants play­ers who hit 200 shots, dont let anyo­ne play through, and do dan­ge­rous things on the course?

    1. Cour­se staff hand­le that in the US. You go to the pro shop and noti­fy staff and let them hand­le it. A licen­se won’t stop an ass­ho­le from being an ass­ho­le. It will gate keep the sport and dis­cou­ra­ge peop­le from ever try­ing the sport.

    2. @The Indoor Out­doors­man what evi­dence do you have for that? Swe­den has more play­ers per capi­ta than Scot­land and Aus­tra­lia. Event­hough we have half their golf sea­son due to the free­zing conditions.

  110. As a Ger­man I real­ly have to say thanks for this video, ever­yo­ne else who did a video about this only tal­ked about how bad it is, but you tal­ked about both side. Thanks! 👍

  111. Big thing the top­golf guys didnt men­ti­on is that Ober­hau­sen has beco­me a city basi­cal­ly only known for the the “cen­tro” a huge shop­ping mall ever­ything in Ober­hau­sen revol­ves around, inclu­ding things like cine­ma and other events (like top­golf). Go shop­ping and after­wards some golf. Hope it works.

  112. see the thing with bar ran­ges like top golf is that almost ever­yo­ne is inte­res­ted and wants to go. they look insa­ne from the out­side, espe­cial­ly at night. The idea of drinks food and a small arca­de fits most fami­ly out­tings. They did some covid stuff that was easy when i went once and you­re alrea­dy in your own bay. Hea­ters, TVS and games, tracking num­bers, etc its all very appe­aling. for a deco­nt gol­fer its a place to kin­da show off and see your num­bers if you never get to with equipment.

  113. You need a licen­se in West-Euro­pe almost ever­y­whe­re. We can’t ima­gi­ne “green” gol­fers to jump onto just any cour­se. Much dif­fe­rent than USA/AUS/NZ

  114. The licen­se cos­ts like 100€ and gives you like 3–4 pro les­sons and then you just Play a few holes with the pro and thats it, Not some­thing Spe­cial or hard. I think it is Not Even pos­si­ble to fail this, no mat­ter how you Play or how much you know…

  115. Switz­er­land is the same and when I first star­ted I was sho­cked, not just he two tests but also the pri­ce tag. As in Ger­ma­ny most cour­ses are pri­va­te but I do not know of any, out­side of prac­ti­ces are­as, whe­re you would not need both PR and a club membership.

    Now I think it hel­ps the first time gol­fer and the pace of play. It takes a lot of time and is pret­ty expen­si­ve. Swiss peop­le are known for their lack of pati­ence, so anyo­ne slowing down the game is com­p­lai­ned about excessively. 

    As for num­bers it is incre­a­sing but pri­va­te cour­se and cos­ts are the main growth stop​pers​.It is a sport that is seen as an eli­tes sport and for snobs, though not the case.
    Gre­at reportage!

  116. by the way, the „Platz­rei­fe“ is not a law, not by federal Government. The ger­man Gol­fers Asso­cia­ti­on imple­men­ted the sys­tem and most clubs adhe­re to it. Golf cour­ses could deci­de to not requi­re a Platz­rei­fe, as they often do for „short cour­ses“. As the Golf cour­ses are quiet full (lot of play­ers for the num­ber of golf cour­ses), the Platz­rei­fe is not such a bad thing, as it keeps speed of play at a decent level (if it is not slo­wed down by peop­le loo­king for balls for 15 Minutes….)

    1. I was thin­king to mys­elf that this is an awe­so­me idea. Espe­cial­ly sin­ce the pan­de­mic it doesn’t mat­ter whe­re you go it’s 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 hours just to get a round in. I would pre­fer to play 36 in that amount of time. I play­ed a round with two bud­dies on Mon­day with an after­noon tee time and play­ed the front nine in an hour caught up to peop­le on the 12th, tho­se last six holes took almost three Flip­pin hours.

    2. I think this idea of Platz­rei­fe is bril­li­ant. I’m a mem­ber of two clubs in Aus­tra­lia and get frus­tra­ted by feral guys showing up on the wee­kend having no idea about the sport at all.

    3. @Wuhan Won­ton well, at the end that’s the same thing. The platz­rei­fe means you can play a 54 (which is 3 over Par), plus you have some basic know­ledge on eti­quet­te and how to play in a decent speed.

  117. I like the idea, but here in the USA I always thought that you should play with the pro and after the round he would tell you what tees to play from. I am sort of a golf snob being a 7 han­di­cap­per, I don’t real­ly enjoy play­ing with gol­fers that have hig­her caps, like 20 and up. The hig­her caps slow my round down making it no fun for me. Sor­ry, someo­ne had to say it and I just did. Most of my golf bud­dies are the same or bet­ter than me so it’s a win-win.

  118. you guys did for­get a very important thing here..
    tl;dr “the­re is ano­t­her cli­chee that keeps us ger­mans from playing!”

    let me explain:
    As for me, a now 36 yo ger­man, inte­res­ted in the game sin­ce the age of 5, this platz­tei­fe BS kept me from play­ing on a real (!) cour­se until the age of 33!!
    But not only that!
    To this day, you (the gol­fer) will all­ways fight the cli­chee that sticks on you when you play golf, or tell anyo­ne you do.. it feels like this cli­chee never dies out.. 

    ever­yo­ne (here in ger­ma­ny not play­ing it) thinks golf is just for the riches..

    but it gets worse.. you will get the line “hast du noch sexy oder spielst du schon golf?” (i.e. do you still have sex, or are you alrea­dy play­ing golf ?) 

    i am a libra­ri­an, play­ed golf the first time on a game­boy at the age of 5, and on every con­so­le after that ever sin­ce… until i got my first hand on a book of golf in 2005… the nea­rest golf cour­se (30km) was just about being finis­hed to full 18 holes. the book (!) was the first one to tell me that golf­clubs clubs could actual­ly be afford­a­ble (the­re aint no rift stores or flea mar­kets or par­ents or uncles with old clubs)
    ebay was new, and i got mys­elf a com­ple­te 14 pie­ce bag of clubs.. put­ter to driver..
    i hit the ran­ge, did what i’ve read in the books and after i’ve final­ly hit the first ball into the sky.. it was over.. i was hoo­ked. i couldnt stop..
    but the­re was nobo­dy to share the joy with peop­le at my age the­re.. and it always felt bad, when you wan­ted to con­vin­ce someo­ne to try it.. still today

    well, i wan­ted to do it right befo­re­hand.. thats true..
    but spea­king of cli­chee, the­re is some­thing you real­ly mis­sed out.
    OR you knew about, and thank­ful­ly didnt men­ti­on it.. 

    but my need of tel­ling you how bad this cli­chee ALSO keeps us young ger­mans from play­ing the grea­test sport evet inven­ted.. urges me to shout it out to the world..

    and ober­hau­sen.. omg.. i will dri­ve 5–6 hours to get the­re, for sure! so stoked!
    i’m hoping so bad­ly.. that this thing impacts hard in ger­ma­ny and some­thing that needs to chan­ge, chan­ges in a good way..

    oh.. and one thing isnt men­tio­ned at all.. most golf­cour­ses here are qui­te Com­pact in ger­ma­ny.. Miss­hit­ting fair­ways might often mean hit­ting ano­t­her fair­way, which means pos­si­bi­li­ty if hit­ting someo­ne.. the­re­fo­re you HAVE to fix at least SOME miss­hit­ters befo­re they even start 🤣

  119. Excel­lent epi­so­de, sir! Watching this as an Ame­ri­can with French and Ger­man heri­ta­ge, it is ama­zing how you can por­tray such diver­si­ty with a vibrant opti­mism and inte­res­ting story 👍

  120. Platz­rei­fe is over­ra­ted! I play golf and have a mem­bers­hip in a for­eign coun­try. I show my mem­bers­hip card and I play. Platz­rei­fe is for beginners. 🤣

  121. I think the golf indus­try suf­fers from the same aff­lic­tion as many other pasti­mes in the way that it tri­es to pro­vi­de a cer­tain level of qua­li­ty of expe­ri­ence to its con­su­mers, but also needs capi­tal from a lar­ger swa­the of the popu­la­ti­on or out­side sources to sus­tain that level of qua­li­ty, which in turn almost dilu­tes the enjoy­ment that one gets from it without paying ood­les of money to be part of a swan­ky pri­va­te club or enti­ty. I don’t think golf needs or should have a gate kee­per, but I think the­re is some­thing to be said for the fact that I (as well as many of my peers) genui­nely can’t enjoy golf the way I did pre-pan­de­mic golf boom becau­se the amount of “riff raff” (as my grand­f­a­ther has coi­ned it) is so ins­a­nely high at every sin­gle public cour­se near me that com­ple­ting a round of golf at any time past the crack of dawn is just arduous and frank­ly qui­te mise­ra­ble becau­se of the lack of eti­quet­te, man­ners, and most of all pace of play. In my opi­ni­on back to back tee times would­n’t be a pro­blem if peop­le actual­ly knew golf eti­quet­te or made sure they could con­sist­ent­ly hit a ball bet­ter than a 50 yard shank every other shot befo­re they boo­ked a tee time. Know when to pick up your ball and move on to the next hole, be awa­re of when you are hol­ding peop­le up behind you etc. and the game could be a great­ly enjoya­ble expe­ri­ence for ever­y­bo­dy involved.

  122. Hey Erik, thanks for the video but I have a such an oppo­si­te expe­ri­ence! First of all I live in Düs­sel­dorf sin­ce 1993 and I am French from Avignon.
    I am pret­ty new to golf, sin­ce I am tra­vel­ling all year long I had the chan­ce to start gol­fing 5 years ago while I was a cou­p­le of mon­th in Wales.
    Then I got to Fran­ce for play­ing and got mys­elf the­re a “licence”, it’s not a green card like in Ger­ma­ny it’s only about insuran­ce and lia­bi­li­ty! So it’s 54€ per year for the French licence and could play ever­y­whe­re in Fran­ce with my friends+booze 😉 having a good time inde­pendent­ly from your han­dy­cap etc… as well, then got after my vaca­ti­on to Düs­sel­dorf whe­re I main­ly live and got a few 100 tokens for the Ran­ge at GSV. I live 5 minu­tes from the club away so I was like go for it, tha­t’ll be my new turf and I ran­ged every day for 2 weeks until I deci­ded, let’s go for a flight! Got to the recep­ti­on and they asked of cour­se for my licence, show­ed them my French licence and that’s it, I play­ed my first flight at GSV with a super uptight old women, cri­ti­ci­zing my clothes and why I dont have golf shoes on (it was a hot sum­mer day and I have only clothed lea­ther golf shoes). I am play­ing sin­ce 5 years in Ger­ma­ny, on every golf cour­se and I dont have the Platz­rei­fe! I just show my French licence that is 54€ a year!
    I play all around the world, south korea, japan, viet­nam, all euro­pe (swe­den, nor­way, switz­er­land and many more), US, Hawaii, and the only time I got asked was 2 weeks ago in Spain near Bil­bao, they wan­ted a dai­ly spa­nish licence sin­ce well you are NOT insu­red if you i.e, hit someo­ne with a ball or wha­te­ver. The insuran­ce was 1€ and I still could avoid it sin­ce I exp­lai­ned that the French licence is an inter­na­tio­nal insuran­ce. For the last bit with Isa­bell I total­ly agree, I had so many bad expe­ri­en­ces with play­ers in Ger­ma­ny, they are so frea­king uptight making the sport just ridi­cu­lous and demo­ti­vat­ing a lot to play any­mo­re.… TLDR get a licence from any coun­try and play whe­ree­ver you like! PS I am 37 kind of a hobo sty­led chil­led guy and doenst fit at all in Ger­ma­ny on the golf cour­se but in UK, Fran­ce or US not a pro­blem at all, like one of your guests was say­ing it’s a cast sys­tem in Ger­ma­ny and they are proud of it.

  123. @Skratch Golf:

    I love your vide­os and watch most­ly all of them. To my per­son – I am from Aus­tria, went through the PGM pro­gram at Fer­ris Sta­te, lived in the US a long time and am now a PGA tea­ching pro­fes­sio­nal in Bre­men, Ger­ma­ny. Sin­ce I know both (pond) sides of the golf indus­try I would like to com­ment on this video from my perspective.

    First of all the con­cept of a “pri­va­te” club over here ver­sus in the US is a total­ly dif­fe­rent one. As an Ame­ri­can watching this you might think that all ger­man cour­ses are pri­vat club with extre­me­ly high ent­ry fees, gated are­as, valet & locker room ser­vice as well as a high end golf carts with fresh­ly clean towels and two bot­t­les of water. This is as far from the truth as it can be. I would say that 98% are public here – only the way the clubs are gover­ned is dif­fe­rent – its more of an asso­cia­ti­on then a club which is always a none-pro­fit orga­ni­sa­ti­on. The amount of real public cour­ses is rapidly gro­wing as-well whe­re you don’t need a Platzreife. 

    The Platz­rei­fe con­cept has been clea­red up cor­rect­ly in the second part. From a PGA pro­fes­sio­nal stand point I have to say that the what we call the “begin­ners cour­se” lea­ding up the the Platz­rei­fe is a good star­ting point for any gol­fer. Basic rules, as-well as golf tech­ni­que is exp­lai­ned. Pace of play, cour­se main­ten­an­ce and safe­ty issu­es are exp­lai­ned and tes­tet in the end. Every gol­fer should at least have a rough under­stan­ding of the game befo­re hea­ding out. On top ‑of it the club manage­ment is hap­py with know­la­ge­ab­le mem­bers out the­re and the pro­fes­sio­nals have a bree­ding ground for future stu­dents. And yes – the ger­mans like to do things right – they are very par­ti­cu­lar about many things which in my case is good – ger­mans love to take les­sons. I would have like to see more of that stand­point in the video as-well. Platz­rei­fe is not a hazard – it help peop­le with the ent­ry of the game and is also not set up by the government. BTW – Platz­rei­fe is also in other coun­tries like Aus­tria, Swiss and many others. 

    On the other side do I miss gol­fing in the US. Dri­ving golf carts, having beer or two and sim­ply having fun comes a bit short over here. The han­di­cap is the rea­son for that. Con­stant pro­gress is important – the ques­ti­on “what is your han­di­cap???” is always #1 when mee­ting other gol­fers. It is what you are it seems like. 

    Any­ways – I love your vide­os and I usual­ly do not com­ment ever but I feel like I had to com­ment here to set things in per­spec­ti­ve. We all want to grow the game, make it youn­ger and make it RGC-like. Belie­ve me.….I wish it would be much more like that here but we are working on it!!!!! 

    Cheers

    Chris­toph

    1. IBTD – I dis­pu­te the defi­ni­ti­on of “public”!
      I have yet to find a public = “öffent­lich, ope­ra­ted by a muni­ci­pa­li­ty etc.” golf cour­se here – the­re are qui­te a lot of public soc­cer fiel­ds but no such golf cour­ses AFAIK. The­se are pro­bab­ly all in pri­va­te hands = Ver­ei­ne (clubs) or com­mer­cial enti­ties, KGs (LP), GmbHs (LLC) etc. owning the ground, orga­ni­sing ser­vice and main­ten­an­ce, and they MAY have a non-pro­fit exten­si­on as a mem­bers organ­sa­ti­on. I, for instance, am not a club mem­ber but a cli­ent of a GmbH (strict­ly pro­fi­ta­ble) which is a mem­ber of DGV and owns the course.
      Ober­hau­sen may be much more chill&cool than tra­di­tio­nal clubs but they still requi­re the same pre­re­qui­si­tes to play their “big” cour­se. In their words, “einen anspruchs­vol­len Par 35 Platz für Handicapspieler”.
      The cour­ses are “public” only inasmuch they usual­ly aren’t gated or “mem­bers only”, the public is allo­wed to enter. Most of them have no “but­ler” ser­vices, but you’ll find amen­ities like fresh&free towels in the locker rooms. Oh the locker rooms!
      Today some/many of them have short “aca­de­my” cour­ses with no pre­re­qui­si­tes like know­ledge or mem­bers­hip – sort of “public”, but the core “cham­pions­hip” cour­ses have strict­ly limi­ted access, for mem­bers of Ger­man golf clubs showing pro­per skills = Han­di­cap on their mem­bers­hip cards. For­eig­ners may be wel­co­me as guest players.

  124. not true. the­re are lots of cour­ses with mul­ti­ple tee boxes in ger­ma­ny. any­way, anyo­ne can hit from whe­re­ver he or she wants. go for it. just the rating is fixed to cer­tain tee boxes.
    if you want to go to extre­mes, hook up with st pau­li golf in hamburg.
    or visit some other cour­ses. talk to peop­le. obvious­ly you hap­pen­ed to encoun­ter a very indi­ver­se bunch of opinions.
    if you want to go to extre­mes, hook up with st pau­li golf in hamburg.

  125. Sur­ly you can play from what ever Tee­box you like. Just for a tour­na­ment the tour­na­ment ruling may say “Man play from this Tee­box and Women from that”. In my Club, that is also pri­va­te, but ever­yo­ne can com and play while paying green­fee (just make a tee­time), the­re is a sea­so­nal tour­na­ment seri­es from all our four tee­bo­xes whe­re men and women play from the same box.

  126. OMG, I was always thin­king when will we final­ly get a Top­golf in Switz­er­land… This video just gave me so much hope! YES thanks Eric 🙂

    1. @Kev Ro thanks but I am not plan­ning on using a Top­golf faci­li­ty as my main dri­ving ran­ge for prac­ti­ce but rather to have a fun night out 😉

  127. As a decent play­er (9 hcp), i would love to have ever­yo­ne on the cour­se at least have the basics, but i can’t under­stand it would make it incredi­b­ly dif­fi­cult to get started.

    I think their test is legit though. Peop­le flub­bing 3 shots around the green kills pace of play.

    1. Here in aus­tria you can’t even play pri­va­te cour­ses without an acti­ve mem­bers­hip like the golf pro men­ti­ons at around 11:04 . And if you want to be a mem­ber in a club, you not only have to pay the mem­bers­hip, but also an inscrip­ti­on fee if you get the mem­bers­hip the first time. In my case that was 1500€/year mem­bers­hip plus 1000€ inscrip­ti­on fee, so thats qui­te a lot of money just to get star­ted. And that’s still without equip­ment and the Platz­rei­fe cos­ts (about 100€), a second licen­se to play tour­na­ments whe­re you have to beat 45HCP, and most cour­ses even requi­re you to have a spe­ci­fic HCP like 34 or 28, even if you ful­fill the pre­vious men­tio­ned requi­re­ments. Oh and guess what, if you chan­ge your club, you have to pay the club spe­ci­fic inscrip­ti­on fee again. 

      Well, while the­re was a small boom in golf during the pan­de­mic, becau­se gol­fing was always allo­wed, it’s no won­der that golf is still seen as a snob sport around here and the­re aren’t near­ly as many gol­fers as the­re should be in austria.

      And to finish my rant off, most of the gol­fers here still have no idea what pace of play is, and when and how to let fas­ter flights behind them play through lol

    2. @m1lian Thats awful. Half of ama­teur golf is the com­ra­de­ry with friends, even tho­se who rare­ly play. Seems like the­se laws make it impos­si­ble to have an inclu­si­ve game.

    3. I agree, it’s a tough balan­ce bet­ween making the game acces­si­ble to ever­yo­ne and requi­ring basic abi­li­ties. But part of being acces­si­ble is being able to play in a rea­son­ab­le time. Public cour­ses in the sum­mer regu­lar­ly take 6+ hours which is ridi­cu­lous. I don’t care if you hack it around the cour­se, but after 10 minu­tes just pick it up and move on

    4. This exact­ly. I’m from Bel­gi­um whe­re we also have to do writ­ten exam and cour­se exam. I only think it’s nor­mal peop­le at least have some know­ledge about eti­quet­te, repla­cing divots, fixing pitch marks. Alrea­dy with all the­se ‘rules’ in place the pace is incredi­b­ly slow at times. I could not ima­gi­ne how slow it would be.
      That being said I also think, at least in Bel­gi­um, a pro­blem is also the amount of clubs. There’s bare­ly any and expen­si­ve. So you can­not com­pa­re it to Scot­land or the US whe­re there’s an abundance of room whe­re you could have both. Public and Private.

  128. The laws in Ger­ma­ny are way stric­ter, but you need an exam to play in Ita­ly, too. It’s not about per­for­mance, but how you tre­at the cour­se and if you know the rules.
    When golf cour­ses are not as many as they are in the US or the UK, you have to put some kind of bar­ri­er, other­wi­se peop­le would flock the few cour­ses in bun­ches and in some cases spoil fun with slow play or not taking care of the course.
    As I said, the Ger­man card is way tougher than here. But that is Germany 😉

  129. Com­ing from Ire­land back to Ger­ma­ny, it is a real pain to be able to play a round of golf over 18 holes. I picked up the sport becau­se the com­pa­ny I worked for had a Golf Socie­ty and we play­ed each mon­th on a dif­fe­rent cour­se, without the neces­si­ty of having a club mem­bers­hip or even a licence. I bought a full set in a shop cal­led Argos, some Lakeballs with it and was right up the way to a near­by golf cour­se, paid my fee (20€ / 18 holes) and could play, no ques­ti­ons asked.
    In my opi­ni­on this ‘Platz­rei­fe’ thin­gy is not hel­ping to grow the game, as pre­sen­ted by the R&A / USGA, in Ger­ma­ny. I’m cur­r­ent­ly a mem­ber in a golf club free orga­ni­sa­ti­on (VcG) so I can play 18 holes at least, but some golf clubs char­ge a surch­ar­ge, becau­se of not being a mem­ber of an offi­cial golf club, ano­t­her stu­pid thing. Golf will still be a niche sport in Ger­ma­ny, even with Top­golf set­ting up a venue in Oberhausen.

  130. It isn’t that serious. If you alrea­dy golf, it can be done with 20 min prac­ti­ce ses­si­on with the pro. They can see you know what your doing. And they give it to you

  131. to own a licen­se to play golf is also a requi­si­te here in Spain – as in Ger­ma­ny – is imple­men­ted by the RFEG (Spa­nish Golf Fede­ra­ti­on) and no just for regu­lar golf cour­ses, here “short” cour­ses are most­ly adhe­red to the RFEG as well – in order to have an offi­cial han­di­cap, you must own a licen­se – also, to have a licen­se car­ri­es an insuran­ce poli­cy … any golf rela­ted acci­dent while play­ing will be cove­r­ed by the insuran­ce asso­cia­ted to your license

  132. Chris­ti­an Alt­haus is – in my opi­ni­on – the best golf­cour­se desi­gner in germany.
    His design phi­lo­so­phy is so great.
    My No.1 Cour­se in Ger­ma­ny is GC Föhr.
    The map is lay­ing in front of Erik and Christian!

  133. Thanks for Doing this. I’m a kiwi living in Dus­sel­dorf and golf with a mate from Eng­land. We had this exact expe­ri­ence and was real­ly cool to see in your film

  134. Wow Erik, were you cas­ting to meet the most crin­ge Ger­man gol­fers? Zeeee Water Tatoo…yes we all have zis. It is fun no? No. 

    As a pas­sio­na­te ger­man gol­fer, I hope you are gon­na come back and dig a litt­le deeper. The Platz­rei­fe might be a curio­si­ty but golf in ger­ma­ny has more to offer than the ste­reo­ty­pi­cal rule loving ger­man idio­syn­cra­sies. I am an avid wat­cher of all your con­tent but this was weak sauce.

  135. Well no, it abso­lute­ly makes it har­der to play. You can’t just be like, “yo John you wan­na go learn golf today?” And just pay $20 at a local public cour­se and go play a round and teach the guy to play pro­per­ly. Now he’s got­ta be like nah I can’t I don’t have a licen­se and they aren’t open today to go get one. That’s so dumb

  136. “Platz­rei­fe” exists in Swe­den to but is cal­led a green card but it does most the same as the “Platz­rei­fe”. But I do not think it will be as strict­ly play­ed as in Germany!

  137. Same in Ita­ly, you need to pass a test on the rules of golf in order to play on a golf cour­se (and pay an year­ly fee to the Ita­li­an golf federation)

  138. I wish peop­le had to have a licen­se to play golf in Ame­ri­ca. Golf cour­ses are cra­zy now a day. The amount of time you spend wai­t­ing on every tee-box would be cut in half if ever­yo­ne knew the rules.

  139. This makes per­fect sen­se. You need a dri­vers licen­se to dri­ve a car on the road and ope­ra­te in har­mo­ny with others, so why not requi­re Platz­rei­fe to play golf?

    1. 375,000 Ame­ri­cans might still be living if the US rates would match ours. May­be your grand­ma would be amongst them?
      BTW: Godwin’s law: You lose.

  140. Ger­mans don’t look at it like we do from the sta­tes. They don’t under­stand how insa­ne having a licen­se to play golf sounds.

    1. Inclu­de histo­ry: Golf was a Kings’ and aristo­cra­tes’ sport around 1900, and they knew how to sepa­ra­te from “the others”. It stay­ed elu­si­ve until Bern­hard Lan­ger won the Mas­ters in 1985.

  141. The need for order and struc­tu­re as values yet Ger­ma­ny vac­ci­na­ted rate is in line with other wes­tern coun­tries. Still 30 to 20 per­cent that don’t want the vac­ci­ne. Lar­ger orga­niz­a­ti­ons or majo­ri­ty can only orga­ni­ze mino­ri­ties so far. Inte­res­ted time frame for inter­na­tio­nal during a pandemic.

    1. Nope, but you might be kicked off the cour­se, and with more, major, infrac­tions, out of your golf club. Without their mem­bers­hip card, no more access to most of Ger­man courses.

  142. I live in Spain, and here you need a licen­se too. It inclu­des insuran­ce so if you hit some­thing or someo­ne you are cove­r­ed by it. The way I did it was taking some cla­ses with the club pro and he sum­mi­ted the app­li­ca­ti­on. Not dif­fi­cult at all.

  143. Just snob­be­ry of so cal­led golf éli­te, Golf is and alway will be for anyo­ne that wants to play golf, you in the long term will kill golf in Germany.

  144. First of all I have to say that I love your vide­os on You­Tube, Erik. With this epi­so­de I think you have been a bit unlu­cky with the selec­tion of some of the peop­le you inter­view­ed. Some of them do not put the situa­ti­on in Ger­ma­ny in the pro­per inter­na­tio­nal con­text. In Ger­ma­ny, only rough­ly 1% of the popu­la­ti­on plays golf, so it is clear the­re can­not be a lar­ge varie­ty of offe­rings as the­re are in Eng­lish spea­king coun­tries. Club mem­bers­hips and fees are very simi­lar in almost every club in Ger­ma­ny. Which means, unfor­tu­n­a­te­ly, you can can­not play for a very small amount of money, but on the other hand the­re are almost no very exclu­si­ve clubs with outra­ge­ous­ly high fees. You can easi­ly find pla­ces that char­ge hund­reds of dol­lars of greens fee in Eng­lish spea­king coun­tries but you will find none of that in Ger­ma­ny. Also, one has to be care­ful with what is cal­led „pri­va­te“ in the video. In Ger­ma­ny, Clubs are most­ly owned by their mem­bers but are acces­si­ble to the public for a greens fee. Ger­man golf cul­tu­re is to walk and to play the sport, not to take carts and have a par­ty with your friends. I can see that the­re are bene­fits to both ways of doing it, but one isn’t necessa­ri­ly bet­ter then the other. But gene­ral­ly spea­king, thank you very much for your work for the golf sport. Your vide­os are of a qua­li­ty and insight that I appre­cia­te very much!

  145. The thing is that it does work in other pla­ces too. Like in the begin­ning of the video the Golf archi­tect said that 15% of Swe­dens popu­la­ti­on play golf. In Swe­den you do need a “Platz­rei­fe” or “Green Card” as it is cal­led in Swe­den and you also need to be a mem­ber of a club in order to play. So clear­ly it does work and I per­so­nal­ly belie­ve that it’s a real­ly good thing. But this video made me curious as to why so few ger­mans play golf.

  146. Ive been play­ing golf on and off for around 10 years now … i didn’t know the platz­rei­fe was sole­ly a Ger­man thing and not com­ple­te­ly inter­na­tio­nal lmao

  147. Erik – I real­ly love your stuff and am a huge fan of the chan­nel, but you real­ly need to do a video on this “pri­va­te” stuff and what it means glo­bal­ly. In Eng­land (and in Euro­pe) a pri­va­te golf club just means the green fee will be a bit more expen­si­ve, depen­ding on the cour­se, and some tee times may be reser­ved for mem­bers. That’s it. Mem­bers chan­ging rooms, mem­bers bars, all open to ever­yo­ne. The dress code is used as a pro­xy for “can they play or are they going to dig up the greens”. The Ame­ri­can idea of a pri­va­te cour­se seems inex­pli­ca­ble, inex­cus­able and unfair to tho­se not resi­dent in the US, espe­cial­ly for the land of oppor­tu­ni­ty and the free. Oh, and my club mem­bers­hip for unli­mi­ted golf, whenever I feel like it is $750 a year. BTW – the Platz­rei­fe loo­ks a lot like the inter­view I had with the pro befo­re being allo­wed to play as a junior.

    1. @The Indoor Out­doors­man Never heard of that (obvious­ly), alt­hough mother­hood and repro­duc­tion were important sub­jects then.
      I also would­n’t belie­ve any pro­pa­gan­da. I found Disney’s “Edu­ca­ti­on for Death” and “Der Fuehrer’s face” but no hint to paren­ting. Can you show some pro­of or key­words to follow?

    2. @The Indoor Out­doors­man “Hitler’s Child­ren” is clo­ser to the sub­ject, inclu­ding the thre­at of ste­ri­li­sa­ti­on of an unru­ly woman. It’s not by Dis­ney though.

  148. Its real­ly qui­te inte­res­ting how the game of golf is view­ed throughout the world. It makes sen­se to me that the Ger­mans would requi­re papers to play a game. I lear­ned golf the Ame­ri­can way, I paid my money and went out and wha­cked away. Ame­ri­cans seem to have a lot more fun than ever­yo­ne else in the world.

  149. So Ger­man! Per­fect, it’s OK ‚you can make 6 from the­re! You glos­sed over how much the licen­se cost, after all it see­med like you spent several hours with a Pro, so it must have a cost?

    1. Usual­ly, it’s a cour­se with a few par­ti­ci­pants, over a wee­kend or perhaps 16 hours.
      I’m gues­sing the cos­ts to be 100 – 300 €, plus the equip­ment and prac­ti­ce balls. Some­ti­mes you can bor­row the clubs.

  150. The light in ger­ma­ny is so dif­fe­rent, com­pa­red to the us. Defi­net­ly not cine­ma­tic. Still gre­at video 😉

  151. Are you kid­ding me? 😀 My first thought when this video star­ted tal­king about Düs­sel­dorf and Golf cour­ses being unavail­ab­le to play­ers without Platz­rei­fe was “I have to tell the Sto­ry about one of my best friends get­ting his Platz­rei­fe after a year of us play­ing tog­e­ther on a true­ly public cour­se in Oberh…!” And then Kevin came around the cor­ner. 😀 GC Oberhausen’s open cour­se real­ly hel­ped him get­ting an appe­ti­te for Golf. Even if it’s a rather short cour­se it hel­ped him to get to know the ins and outs of Golf and let us alrea­dy start play­ing tog­e­ther befo­re he got the Platz­rei­fe. After a sum­mer without a licen­se he got one in not even a day (basi­cal­ly just taking the theo­re­ti­cal test). Even though we did­n’t choo­se GCO as our home club, we still like to go the­re once in a while. All around very nice, casu­al club.

  152. Anyo­ne who has sat behind a group of gol­fers all shoo­ting 100+ might con­si­der this a good idea. As someo­ne who lives and plays in Thai­land whe­re the­re is a lar­ge num­ber of tou­rists play­ing, I would love to see this kind of regu­la­ti­on here.

  153. Ger­ma­ny is so insa­ne. Papers to play a game. And they say when it opens up to the public it’s thanks to “the fede­ra­ti­on” LOL. Like no dum­my, it’s due to the grass­roots and PUBLIC interest.

  154. A licen­se would help new play­ers know the rules and eti­quet­te to golf ie slow play and such. Bit extre­me to not let peop­le play without but to have an induc­tion to a club simi­lar to a gym induc­tion would pro­bab­ly be enough.

  155. Not true that 15% of Swe­des play golf, a more accu­ra­te num­ber is 4.5%. 461000 play­ers and our popu­la­ti­on around 10 mil­li­on. We do have a simi­lar sys­tem with licen­se howe­ver, a “green card” in order to play cour­ses. Like a man­da­to­ry few hours prac­ti­ce and round with a coach to pro­ve you won’t go and des­troy the green etc.

  156. “we are ger­mans, and in ger­ma­ny you need a license” 

    If you had to sum­ma­ri­ze a coun­try and it’s cul­tu­re in a sin­gle sen­tence, this is it.

    1. Replace licen­se by rules to put it in a nutshell.
      BTW,
      Proud to have less traf­fic deads, less gun deads, less school massacres…
      Proud to have less mor­ta­li­ty in childbirths.
      Pro­bab­ly also less golf accidents…

    2. @Kev Ro Alas, the­se were in the (somehow distant) past which ended 76 years ago, and I quo­ted facts of our cur­rent societies.
      BTW: Godwin’s law: You lose!

  157. We have the same in the Nether­lands. It’s just a way of showing you atleast know the rules and eti­quet­te and have some basic under­stan­ding on how to play.

  158. Ich think its important to know the Golfru­les very well becau­se i was hit from a Golf­ball on the head last holi­day … Platz­rei­fe is a good way to edu­ca­te beginners …

  159. I like the con­cept, and think a begin­ner with no know­ledge of the game would bene­fit. I would be super ner­vous lol . Whe­re can i get some RGC merch😁.

  160. We have kind of the same sys­tem I Den­mark, but I see a lot of oppor­tu­nities from the sys­tem as well. The licen­se is actual­ly cal­led “green­card” i Den­mark and to acqui­re it you need to go through some prac­ti­cal trai­ning and do a online theo­ry cour­se, exp­lai­ning rules and eti­quet­te. As a new­co­mer to golf you are cal­led kanin “rab­bit” and each week the­re is a rab­bit match, whe­re nor­mal­ly 3 rab­bits are tea­med up with on expe­ri­en­ced play­er, here they also will talk rules, safe­ty and eti­quet­te as they go around. Nor­mal­ly rab­bit match will be on our par 3 cour­se to begin with and when the rab­bit can make 10 point on 6 holes here, they move on to nor­mal cour­se. During their trai­ning they will also be intro­du­ced to mem­bers from play­ers in the dif­fe­rent “clubs in the club” so when they feel rea­dy the­re is always some­bo­dy to play with and meet new people.
    Things do vary a litt­le bit from club to club not all have a small par 3 cour­se (by the way it is pay and play) and the pri­ce might be dif­fe­rent to. To day in my club the green card trai­ning is free, it takes rough­ly 2–3 mon­th to acqui­re, whit trai­ning each week. After this you most deci­de if you want to join the club and beco­me mem­ber, or just go around play­ing other cour­ses paying green­fee. A mem­bers­hip in Den­mark is around 900 – 1000 dol­lars a year.
    Again i think this gives a solid intro­duc­tion to the game, whit focus on safe­ty and also speeds up the game on cour­se, whit the right eti­quet­te in place.
    Feel free to come by, we nor­mal­ly play for a draft beer on the ter­race at the round 😉

  161. nah seems like a way to con­trol who gets to golf and who does­n’t. lessons/license cost money. make golf afford­a­ble and more peop­le will golf.

  162. So as a owner of the platz­rei­fe in switz­er­land i can say that it makes the sport much more eletist. I would love to go play some golf with friends but the­re is no way i could do that here

  163. Just found your chan­nel, awe­so­me con­tent dude, real­ly love the pro­duc­tion. If you’re ever in the UK play­ing cour­ses and want to go find some fos­sils, get in touch.

  164. Simi­lar sys­tem in Fin­land also. Basi­cal­ly they teach you the basics and then you’­re allo­wed to play. It’s very easy to get it nowa­days. Never thought the­re was anything stran­ge about it.

    At my club anyo­ne can play the 9 hole par 3 cour­se with a per­son with the licen­se. Full cour­ses requi­re the licen­se. The cour­ses are semi public. All pri­va­te­ly owned but you can play at any cour­se but mem­bers­hip at some club is requi­red. Yet we have over 150 000 play­ers and 180ish cour­ses in a coun­try of only 5,5 mil­li­on and a 6–7 mon­th gol­fing season.

  165. You mix up the dif­fe­rence bet­ween public and pri­va­te. I would say that the majo­ri­ty of the cour­ses in Ger­ma­ny are open to play for anyo­ne with a golf han­di­cap. But they are star­ted and run­ned by pri­va­te ini­ta­tia­ti­ve. When you play a cour­se in Scot­land some­ti­mes you need a han­di­cap and a mem­bers­hip in a golf­club in your home coun­try, it’s the same in Ger­ma­ny and for examp­le Swe­den, whe­re 90% of the clubs wants to see a han­di­cap cer­ti­fi­ca­te in order to play.

  166. As a Ger­man living abroad sin­ce ever… I reco­gnis­ed the “Ger­man way” I guess it’s part of our social heri­ta­ge. The “Platz­rei­fe” though is quiet inte­res­ting sin­ce the­re is not only the Sport aspect of Golf, the­re is also the “Rules”. And this is an essen­ti­al part of the game. Knowing and under­stan­ding tho­se help to be a bet­ter player.

    1. It’s part of the cast sys­tem sepa­ra­ting “gol­fers” from “non-gol­fers”. Both mem­bers­hip and Platz­rei­fe were (are?) part­ly used to check out the pro­spec­ti­ve play­er from a spor­ting AND social cir­cle POW.

  167. Honest­ly, I see this being dis­cus­sed way too often. i star­ted play­ing in the UK, I‘m back in ger­ma­ny for now almost 3 years and i still dont have my licen­se. You rare­ly get asked. Also, the­re are ple­nty of peop­le with a platz­rei­fe who cant hit a sin­gle ball…

    1. Beer is o.k. (if uncom­mon), but dis­tur­bing other gol­fers’ swings and putts with noi­se is not! QUIET! *grins*
      Sit­ting on a ter­ras­se after my round, I once